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blindriver ◴[] No.43676682[source]
Those equity percentages in this document are EXTREMELY FOUNDER FRIENDLY and I believe this entire document was written to anchor new employees with lowered expectations on equity. I think this entire document is a disingenuous scam to make new startup employees think that those percentages are okay.

I’ve been in Silicon Valley a long time, since the dotcom boom. My first company, the executive assistant got so rich from the pre-dotcom IPO she quit and bought a vineyard. That’s how things used to be. And we aren’t talking about some crazy ipo, it was before those times.

Fast forward to these days, the startup I worked for got acquired. I was engineer < 15. The founders got low 9 figures, I got 5 figures. Almost everyone got fucked for years of loyalty.

But that’s what YC and other accelerators teach founders. Be cheap with equity. And this document just perpetuates that.

Founders can easily make life changing money but the people that do the actual work get fucked unless it becomes a >100B company like a Facebook. That’s not realistic and they know that. Employees need a bigger piece of the pie when things go great for the company and not just when it becomes a Facebook, Uber, etc.

If you want to know how to evaluate equity, pick a total valuation of the company at exit and then multiply by your stake. If the company needs to exit at > 10B for you to make a life changing amount of money, then ask for much much more equity or don’t take the offer.

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ryandrake ◴[] No.43676943[source]
It's crazy how "founder friendly" and "investor friendly" (read: "employee unfriendly") the norm has gotten. I would never work for someone else's startup these days. No way, no how. Four orders of magnitude difference between the founders' exit and the early employees' exit is totally unacceptable.
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1. neilv ◴[] No.43678059[source]
Yeah, I've been burnt badly by that before.

Which is part of why my founder co-matching profiles mention that I'm looking to spread the equity wealth around among early hires, more than is usual.

If a prospective co-founder is turned off by that, without a really compelling reason, then we'd probably clash on other values as well. And I'd also think there's a good chance they'll backstab me when they think they can.

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2. yard2010 ◴[] No.43678994[source]
Ah selection bias is the best shield when being used correctly.