←back to thread

656 points mooreds | 4 comments | | HN request time: 0s | source
Show context
cj ◴[] No.43675640[source]
As our 30 person startup has grown, I made a conscious decision to stop pitching stock options as a primary component of compensation.

Which means the job offer still includes stock options, but during the job offer call we don’t talk up the future value of the stock options. We don’t create any expectation that the options will be worth anything.

Upside from a founder perspective is we end up giving away less equity than we otherwise might. Downside from a founder perspective is you need up increase cash compensation to close the gap in some cases, where you might otherwise talk up the value of options.

Main upside for the employee is they don’t need to worry too much about stock options intricacies because they don’t view them as a primary aspect of their compensation.

In my experience, almost everyone prefers cash over startup stock options. And from an employee perspective, it’s almost always the right decision to place very little value ($0) on the stock option component of your offer. The vast majority of cases stock options end up worthless.

replies(19): >>43675676 #>>43675759 #>>43675967 #>>43676111 #>>43676216 #>>43676383 #>>43676450 #>>43676463 #>>43676503 #>>43676526 #>>43676834 #>>43676885 #>>43676986 #>>43677139 #>>43677589 #>>43678377 #>>43679184 #>>43680072 #>>43684272 #
1. goldchainposse ◴[] No.43676834[source]
I was a hired early to a startup (my hiring manager was the CEO) that's now public and worth $10B+ that you've heard of. It took them over 10 years to go public, and I would have done just as well putting my money in FAANG, but with lower risk and more liquidity.
replies(1): >>43676892 #
2. LPisGood ◴[] No.43676892[source]
Well to be fair 10+ years ago it’s hard to find too many dollar for dollar investments that beat MAAMA.
replies(1): >>43677367 #
3. goldchainposse ◴[] No.43677367[source]
True! But it's crazy that the risk, successful startup didn't even beat established tech for returns.
replies(1): >>43686519 #
4. ikiris ◴[] No.43686519{3}[source]
It isn’t crazy, it’s that startups are just that bad of an investment when averaged out. You have better odds playing the lottery.