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wyldfire ◴[] No.43676129[source]
On this April 13 in these United States, I can't help but think of the incredible inconvenience of how RSUs and shares sold seem to be calculated for the sake of income taxes. Please just add it up and send me the bill. I don't want to pay more than what's due. And I don't want to cheat. For whatever reason, the typical tax interview software guesses wrong or has insufficient inputs when I feed it info from employer + brokerage. So what remains feels like guesswork with liability on both ends.
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toast0 ◴[] No.43676287[source]
RSUs aren't really that bad, unless your employer does sell to cover in annoying ways. Net share withholding works out super simple, the shares that weren't withheld are at the brokerage with the correct basis, and the income and withholding are reported accurately on your w-2.

Options do get pretty nasty if you exercise and hold, when the fair market value is higher than the fair market value; because then you have to have an AMT return and a regular return and reconcile them.

ESPP with a discount was pretty bad the last time I had it; the brokerage said they were specifically required by IRS rules to report the wrong cost basis, and you had to adjust it when you sold, or you'd have the discount reported on your w-2 and again as a capital gain. Maybe that changed, capital gains reporting has changed over time.

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1. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.43676808[source]
RSUs in private companies are super illiquid.
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2. paxys ◴[] No.43676970[source]
You don't have to pay tax if your RSUs aren't liquid.
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3. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.43676985[source]
> You don't have to pay tax if your RSUs aren't liquid

Sure. You also don’t get to turn them into cash the way shareholders can. Consider that it’s been VCs most vocally singing their praises.

4. doktorhladnjak ◴[] No.43677574[source]
This is not true at all. It only has to do with if you have "substantial risk of forfeiture". If they are your shares to own forever, the IRS considers receiving them taxable. This is why double trigger RSUs have expiration dates. It's possible they never become liquid. Therefore they're not your property yet. Therefore you don't owe tax until they are. Or they expire worthless someday, and you don't owe anything.