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cj ◴[] No.43675640[source]
As our 30 person startup has grown, I made a conscious decision to stop pitching stock options as a primary component of compensation.

Which means the job offer still includes stock options, but during the job offer call we don’t talk up the future value of the stock options. We don’t create any expectation that the options will be worth anything.

Upside from a founder perspective is we end up giving away less equity than we otherwise might. Downside from a founder perspective is you need up increase cash compensation to close the gap in some cases, where you might otherwise talk up the value of options.

Main upside for the employee is they don’t need to worry too much about stock options intricacies because they don’t view them as a primary aspect of their compensation.

In my experience, almost everyone prefers cash over startup stock options. And from an employee perspective, it’s almost always the right decision to place very little value ($0) on the stock option component of your offer. The vast majority of cases stock options end up worthless.

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1. grandempire ◴[] No.43676463[source]
I often had startups offer me a number of shares with no explanation for the percentage ownership or the number of total shares.

I said I have to value them at zero without more information and they would act all offended when I asked for more (happened at least 3 times).

This suggests to me that founders either don’t understand the mechanics themselves or are preying on lack of financial understanding.

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2. dymk ◴[] No.43676473[source]
It’s the latter.
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3. grandempire ◴[] No.43676498[source]
Ignorance is a big problem too. One time I had someone offended when I asked if their insurance plan qualified as a high deductible - they didn’t know it was a legal classification and thought I was accusing it of being expensive.

I’m not anti-startup but the VC backed startup culture of the last 10 years or so has been pretty souring.

4. avn2109 ◴[] No.43679782[source]
It's kinda both sometimes haha