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cj ◴[] No.43675640[source]
As our 30 person startup has grown, I made a conscious decision to stop pitching stock options as a primary component of compensation.

Which means the job offer still includes stock options, but during the job offer call we don’t talk up the future value of the stock options. We don’t create any expectation that the options will be worth anything.

Upside from a founder perspective is we end up giving away less equity than we otherwise might. Downside from a founder perspective is you need up increase cash compensation to close the gap in some cases, where you might otherwise talk up the value of options.

Main upside for the employee is they don’t need to worry too much about stock options intricacies because they don’t view them as a primary aspect of their compensation.

In my experience, almost everyone prefers cash over startup stock options. And from an employee perspective, it’s almost always the right decision to place very little value ($0) on the stock option component of your offer. The vast majority of cases stock options end up worthless.

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Swizec ◴[] No.43675676[source]
> The vast majority of cases stock options end up worthless

My fav manager had a great way of phrasing this: "There are more ways for your options to be worthless than to make you rich"

But I also personally know plenty of people who made off great with their startup equity. They're def not worthless.

Ultimately I think you should never take an uncomfortable pay-cut to join a company and you should maximize your stock compensation on top of that. Don't forget other types of equity – brand, exposure to good problems, network.

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awesome_dude ◴[] No.43675858[source]
> But I also personally know plenty of people who made off great with their startup equity. They're def not worthless.

I personally view Stock Options in the same way as lottery tickets - sure they might pay out big sometimes, and people do win lotteries, but, for the most part, they're going to be losers.

There might be argument about the difference in how often stock options lose compared to lottery tickets, but that's missing the point.

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1. ants_everywhere ◴[] No.43676025[source]
The main difference is that people often think they share a fate as a startup. They all have the same lottery tickets (in varying amounts) that pay out under the same conditions. After all, that's how managers often motivate the early employees.

But since there are different classes of lottery tickets, the payouts can change arbitrarily at the last minute depending on the specifics of the deals.

So even after accounting for the fact that most lottery tickets don't pay out, you need to account for the fact that some within the same startup might pay out while yours don't. And there's no perfect way of knowing ahead of time.