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Emacs Lisp Elements

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tikhonj ◴[] No.43667636[source]
I've had a great time using Emacs Lisp over the past 15 years: it's one of the easiest ways to quickly whip up personalized tools for my own use, and, at the same time, my code has been surprisingly resilient and stable over this time.

And this is despite the fact that Emacs Lisp routinely flouts every single software engineering "best practice". The language is dynamically scoped by default! It simply doesn't have namespaces! Static types? Hah! (And I, an inveterate Haskeller, don't even miss them.) You can—and people routinely do—hook directly into all sorts of implementation details from other parts of the codebase.

And yet it just works. And it works remarkably well.

My theory: what matters isn't "best practices", it's have a coherent conceptual design and code that reflects that design. Emacs is designed around a small but expressive set of core concepts that it uses in a consistent manner. Text with properties, buffers, modes, commands, customization variables... Almost everything more complex in Emacs is structured out of these (+ a handful more), and, once you've internalized them, it's surprisingly easy to both learn new higher-level tools and to write your own.

The design of both the user interface and the code directly reflect these concepts which gives us a naturally close connection between the UI and the code (it's almost trivial to jump from an interaction to the code that powers it), makes both UI and code units effortlessly composable and generally makes it easier to understand what's going on and how we can change it.

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pkkm ◴[] No.43671691[source]
> My theory: what matters isn't "best practices", it's have a coherent conceptual design and code that reflects that design.

I think so too; that said, the language could definitely be better. It suffers from a lot of primitive obsession. Instead of structs, you often find either vectors or lists with predefined element positions; instead of map, ordered map, and multimap types, it's just various kinds of lists everywhere. They're not even used consistently: for the same thing, one package may use an alist and another a plist.

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1. tikhonj ◴[] No.43674549[source]
Yeah, I could also see some improvements like that. But, compared to other codebases I've worked with that had the same problem (cough nixpkgs cough), it's amazing how much better the Emacs programming experience has been.
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2. funcDropShadow ◴[] No.43678487[source]
Yes, nixpkgs is definitely missing the self-documenting part, or even the documenting part for most of it.