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1210 points jbegley | 8 comments | 11 Apr 25 16:24 UTC | HN request time: 1.736s | source | bottom
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bawolff ◴[11 Apr 25 20:11 UTC] No.43658003[source]▶
The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that.

Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israeli government to be mostly concerned with incitements of violence against its citizens. In the context of this conflict i would expect such incitements to be mostly be made by the demographics cited in the article due to the nature of the conflict. The article seems like it could be entirely consistent with take downs being used appropriately. It needs more then this to prove its headline.

Heck, from this post we dont even know relative numbers. How does this compare against take down requests from other groups?

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michaelsshaw ◴[12 Apr 25 08:50 UTC] No.43662614[source]▶
Defending yourself from genocide is not terrorism
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reissbaker ◴[12 Apr 25 12:27 UTC] No.43663807[source]▶
When do you think the supposed genocide started?
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michaelsshaw ◴[12 Apr 25 13:09 UTC] No.43664065[source]▶
1948
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reissbaker ◴[12 Apr 25 14:02 UTC] No.43664466[source]▶
Interesting! And in this supposed 77 year long genocide, did the population size of Palestinians decrease?
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michaelsshaw ◴[12 Apr 25 15:27 UTC] No.43665213[source]▶
Not a determining factor. Genocide is the commission of one of the five prohibited acts with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, any national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
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reissbaker ◴[12 Apr 25 15:50 UTC] No.43665430[source]▶
A bit hard to show "intent to destroy" if for 77 years of rule, they haven't actually done it, though. I mean, in what other "genocide" did the population grow, year over year, for 77 years? Can you name a single one where the population grew for even five years of "genocide"?
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za3faran ◴[13 Apr 25 03:11 UTC] No.43669773[source]▶
Listen to their ministers and people in charge and they clearly state the intent outright. This latest conflict has exposed everything.
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reissbaker[dead post] ◴[13 Apr 25 03:35 UTC] No.43669901[source]▶
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frm88 ◴[13 Apr 25 07:15 UTC] No.43670738[source]▶
*There is academic and legal debate as to whether the current war, starting on Oct 7th, 2023, has devolved into a genocide — although that certainly isn't settled, and the international courts haven't yet issued rulings, they've only declined to dismiss the case.*

The ICC issued a warrant against Netanyahu citing "war crimes" and "crimes against humanity" with [0]"starvation as a method of warfare" as a main point. Starvation as a method of warfare is consistent with an act of genocide [1].

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court...

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation_(crime)

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breppp ◴[13 Apr 25 07:24 UTC] No.43670792[source]▶
The ICC is highly stretching its jurisdiction as Israel is not a signee

Starvation is not consistent with an act of genocide even as per your source and there is very little evidence of starvation in Gaza except for the Israeli hostages.

It is actually pretty easy to view the endless stream of videos coming out from gaza, some even show obesity

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1. za3faran ◴[13 Apr 25 15:34 UTC] No.43673534[source]▶
It is indeed easy to see the endless stream of videos of people in Gaza who have literally starved to death.
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2. breppp ◴[13 Apr 25 19:32 UTC] No.43675241[source]▶
So what's your explanation of the many pictures of Gazans that are not close to malnourishment? If there's no food shouldn't this show everywhere?

I see properly fed people in every search for photos/videos from the war, unless if I specifically try to search for starvation, and even then there's not much variety and these repeat

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3. za3faran ◴[15 Apr 25 06:26 UTC] No.43689598[source]▶
That's like saying there were pictures of jews who were not malnuritioned during the holocaust, so it must be fake!

There are many who died from starvation, this is a fact. Don't be a genocide denier. The israelis have been controlling food and water and electricity from Gaza for a long time now, they have never been free.

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4. reissbaker ◴[15 Apr 25 19:13 UTC] No.43697197{3}[source]▶
If the Israelis have used their many-years-long control of food, water, and electricity (which BTW they provide because Hamas destroyed Gaza's native water aquifers by polluting them during weapons manufacturing, as well as stealing and hoarding the fuel for power generation in order to run their underground attack tunnels such that the local power plants can't run) in order to starve the Gazans to death, why has the population gone up instead of down?

In the Holocaust, the population went down — by many many millions of people.

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5. za3faran ◴[16 Apr 25 00:32 UTC] No.43700063{4}[source]▶
This "argument" again. I swear it's always the same trite copy-pasted ones. This is not open for debate - there is mass starvation, there are war crimes, the ICC is after the heads of the mafia. There are many, many documentaries about the horrors that have befallen Gaza for many years now, including by anti zionist jews.
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6. reissbaker ◴[16 Apr 25 15:47 UTC] No.43706902{5}[source]▶
The ICC wants a trial; no one has been convicted of anything, and certainly not a genocide starting in 1948. Asserting something (as you do) doesn't make it true. And you keep being given the same argument since you haven't rebutted it — perhaps you can't.
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7. breppp ◴[16 Apr 25 19:06 UTC] No.43709155{3}[source]▶
I don't need to deny a genocide that isn't happening. Even according to Hamas skewed death statistics most dead in Gaza are military aged males and in higher proportions than their share in the population

If you go over pictures of jews from the holocaust it is very obvious they were starved and there is no shortage of such pictures because it was so widespread. The holocaust or other incidents of starvation such as the siege of leningrad, the great famine or the holodomor have documented incidents of cannibalism and other manifestations of extreme hunger

I saw a video of a demonstration against Hamas from today, there were at least 300 people and these are the people that are less fed because they aren't Hamas, and there is no case of malnourishment I saw. This was the same across everything I saw this week and in general from the war. I believe the ICC will have real issues establishing starvation.

8. za3faran ◴[17 Apr 25 01:59 UTC] No.43712342{6}[source]▶
There are clear interviews with zionist members confessing their crimes, so yes, the evidence is there. There is a reason that the whole world is against what israel is doing, except the US who is supporting it.