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tikhonj ◴[] No.43667636[source]
I've had a great time using Emacs Lisp over the past 15 years: it's one of the easiest ways to quickly whip up personalized tools for my own use, and, at the same time, my code has been surprisingly resilient and stable over this time.

And this is despite the fact that Emacs Lisp routinely flouts every single software engineering "best practice". The language is dynamically scoped by default! It simply doesn't have namespaces! Static types? Hah! (And I, an inveterate Haskeller, don't even miss them.) You can—and people routinely do—hook directly into all sorts of implementation details from other parts of the codebase.

And yet it just works. And it works remarkably well.

My theory: what matters isn't "best practices", it's have a coherent conceptual design and code that reflects that design. Emacs is designed around a small but expressive set of core concepts that it uses in a consistent manner. Text with properties, buffers, modes, commands, customization variables... Almost everything more complex in Emacs is structured out of these (+ a handful more), and, once you've internalized them, it's surprisingly easy to both learn new higher-level tools and to write your own.

The design of both the user interface and the code directly reflect these concepts which gives us a naturally close connection between the UI and the code (it's almost trivial to jump from an interaction to the code that powers it), makes both UI and code units effortlessly composable and generally makes it easier to understand what's going on and how we can change it.

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golly_ned ◴[] No.43668618[source]
I’ve consistently failed to make writing elisp net positive for me for basically anything. I use it as a configuration language, and even then, for functions longer than a few lines, it’s still a lot of coding for very little benefit. I just can’t find things to improve in such a way that it’ll actually be worth writing elisp code for, especially compared to other tools (like a quick Python script or even a bash one-liner), or things within Emacs. What are the things you’ve written in elisp that have helped you?
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Rediscover ◴[] No.43669716[source]
> What are the things you’ve written in elisp that have helped you?

Usually tools to alleviate working with dumbass web-based (supposedly needing the corporate-approved browser) stuff for $DAY-JOB.

Oh, and an extension to allow emacs-w3m to handle lynx-style multibookmarks.

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1. prestonlibby ◴[] No.43669985[source]
> > What are the things you’ve written in elisp that have helped you? > > Usually tools to alleviate working with dumbass web-based (supposedly needing the corporate-approved browser) stuff for $DAY-JOB. > > Oh, and an extension to allow emacs-w3m to handle lynx-style multibookmarks.

This sparks my interest as I am in the early days of both customizing Emacs and attempting to displace some of my browsing with it as well. Could you elaborate further on this multibookmarks concept and perhaps an example of one of those alleviations for working with web-based workflows?

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2. Rediscover ◴[] No.43689185[source]
Lynx is a web browser, bookmarking a page is done by hitting "adX" as in (a)dd (d)ocument to file (X). Or (a)dd (l)ink to (X). Nice and quick. The X is usually a lower case ASCII letter corresponding to a file. You can enable this mode (and the specific bookmark files) in lynx's config file. The Emacs extension uses the same keystrokes and, optionally, the same files.

Alleviations are (I'm intentionally vague here) for getting rid of finding a link, clicking through, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, just to get to where I need to be (like adding an update to a ticket). I usually only automate processes that are intended for use by mouse/pointer-driving users with an ability to comprehend what (and where) icons are - I have a self-imposed problem withe former and a physically/mentally imposed hard time with the latter.