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bandrami ◴[] No.43665446[source]

I wish more people were asking “why does the hospital charge such absurdly high fees?” instead of “why is Blue Cross trying to not pay those absurdly high fees?”

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energy123 ◴[] No.43665519[source]

This. Even if you eliminated all profit margins of insurers you only decrease medical costs in the US by a tiny fraction, still leaving you far worse off than in other countries. They suck, but they're a cheap scapegoat for simpleton populists who don't know or don't want to fix the actual problems.

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/insurance-companies-arent-the-...

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1. jjav ◴[] No.43669287[source]

> Even if you eliminated all profit margins of insurers you only decrease medical costs in the US by a tiny fraction

This is completely wrong.

A general practicioner doctor is unlikely to be making much more than 300K, or $144/hr. But my visit to said doctor costs $450 for 15 minutes, or $1800/hr.

Many people are making a fortune out of the system, the money is not going to the person doing useful work, the doctor. Where is the other $1656/hr disappearing?

Eliminate all those grifters from the loop and I could go see this doctor for $36 per 15min visit. Heck I wouldn't even need insurance, I can pay that out of pocket.

Sure, I'm ignoring rent/utilities/supplies, so it'd be a bit more than $36 but those costs are a tiny percentage. In any case it'd be less than $50, far below the current $450.

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2. energy123 ◴[] No.43669368[source]

You say it's wrong but then don't do your working properly. The $1656 isn't going to the insurer. Read the article.

3. bandrami ◴[] No.43670045[source]

You're mixing up which way the money goes. The doctor's practice or hospital gets the extra $1656, from the insurer. That's the problem.

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4. jjav ◴[] No.43670998[source]

Then the solution is obvious. The government can pay this doctor their 300K salary directly out of taxes and we cut out everyone else. Win/win for everyone who matters.

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5. bandrami ◴[] No.43671107{3}[source]

Massachusetts is trying essentially this and should have the initial results by the end of they FY. I'm hopeful.

6. ceejayoz ◴[] No.43682590[source]

> The doctor's practice or hospital gets the extra $1656, from the insurer.

No, they don't.

Insurance pays out their negotiated rate of like $100 for that 15 minute appointment. (Which likely has some pre- and post-appointment work involved. My doc has clearly at least skimmed my chart prior, and I get a written note later. I'm also seen by a nurse initially.)

The rates have to be obscenely high on paper so the insurer gets their big win negotiating.

The rest just... evaporates. https://imgur.com/a/X5oLXgr