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1210 points jbegley | 4 comments | 11 Apr 25 16:24 UTC | HN request time: 0.32s | source
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bawolff ◴[11 Apr 25 20:11 UTC] No.43658003[source]▶
The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that.

Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israeli government to be mostly concerned with incitements of violence against its citizens. In the context of this conflict i would expect such incitements to be mostly be made by the demographics cited in the article due to the nature of the conflict. The article seems like it could be entirely consistent with take downs being used appropriately. It needs more then this to prove its headline.

Heck, from this post we dont even know relative numbers. How does this compare against take down requests from other groups?

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michaelsshaw ◴[12 Apr 25 08:50 UTC] No.43662614[source]▶
Defending yourself from genocide is not terrorism
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reissbaker ◴[12 Apr 25 12:27 UTC] No.43663807[source]▶
When do you think the supposed genocide started?
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michaelsshaw ◴[12 Apr 25 13:09 UTC] No.43664065{3}[source]▶
1948
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reissbaker ◴[12 Apr 25 14:02 UTC] No.43664466{4}[source]▶
Interesting! And in this supposed 77 year long genocide, did the population size of Palestinians decrease?
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1. nashashmi ◴[12 Apr 25 22:52 UTC] No.43668547{5}[source]▶
That’s a terrible argument. Palestinians have fled. Nakba happened. Refugees increased. So did the population go down? yes. The population shifted to safer places. And then they are getting bombed there too.
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2. reissbaker ◴[13 Apr 25 03:41 UTC] No.43669922[source]▶
People fleeing a conflict isn't genocide. And no, the population did not decrease! You can literally look this up. "Moving 5 miles away" is not an overall group population decrease; here is a graph of the population of Israelis and Palestinians respectively: https://www.statista.com/chart/20645/palestine-and-israel-po...

As you can see, it's been up and to the right this whole time, for both groups.

Unless you think that India and Pakistan have been committing genocide against each other for the last 78 years, neither Israel nor Palestine have been committing genocide against each other for the past 77 years. They had a land dispute, which Israel agreed to split via the U.N. partition plan, and which the Palestinians rejected in favor of a war which they subsequently lost. Just like the current war, in which you passively claim they're "getting bombed," as if nothing had happened to trigger the war — in fact, the government of Gaza (Hamas) invaded Israel, killed over a thousand people and took hundreds of hostages, including civilians, sparking a war in which Gaza has now gotten bombed.

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3. nashashmi ◴[14 Apr 25 10:48 UTC] No.43679913[source]▶
You have to look at the population of Palestinians in the 1948 region before and after. Towns are empty from the nakba.

People fleeing a genocide and being refused return is genocide. Don’t try to rephrase this is as “conflict”. Nor equate the history of other regions as equivalent to this one.

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4. reissbaker ◴[14 Apr 25 22:31 UTC] No.43686999{3}[source]▶
They were obviously not fleeing a genocide, since no genocide happened in 1948. The population graphs of Palestine make that extremely clear. In fact, many did not flee and are citizens of Israel today and even serve in the Knesset, and are referred to as "Israeli Arabs." Of the five acts defined as genocide, moving five miles away is not one of them.

And of course you can compare conflicts in history to each other. Why wouldn't you be able to? Literally the same thing happened with India and Pakistan, at almost exactly the same time, except that Pakistan agreed to the partition and didn't try to invade India. Many people were displaced, or fled, and there were even some border conflicts. But Pakistan and India both accepted partition in general in 1947, unlike the Palestinians who invaded Israel instead in 1948. In fact many more people were displaced or forced to move during the partition of British India into India and Pakistan: 15MM people, vs 900k during the 1948 war.

If you didn't consider that genocide, neither is the latter.