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ceejayoz ◴[] No.43664706[source]
Long read; these bits were notable to me:

> But the insurer’s defense went even further, to the very meaning of “prior authorization,” which it had granted women like Arch to pursue surgery. The authorization, they said in court, recognized that a procedure was medically necessary, but it also contained a clause that it was “not a guarantee of payment.” Blue Cross was not obliged to pay the center anything, top executives testified. “Let me be clear: The authorization never says we’re going to pay you,” said Steven Udvarhelyi, who was the CEO for the insurer from 2016 to 2024, in a deposition. “That’s why there’s a disclaimer.

> At the trial, Blue Cross revealed that it had never considered any of the appeals — nor had it ever told the center that they were pointless. “An appeal is not available to review an underpayment,” acknowledged Paula Shepherd, a Blue Cross executive vice president. The insurer simply issued an edict — the payment was correct.

> On several occasions, though, Blue Cross executives had signed special one-time deals with the center, known as single case agreements, to pay for their wives’ cancer treatment.

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DannyBee ◴[] No.43665359[source]
First off, you won't convince me these folks don't belong in jail. I just dont' think anything less than serious criminal penalties is going to get us anywhere anymore.

But at the same time, i guess i'll be contrarian and say the other notable bit to me is that the person wants the absolute best doctors working on her, at the absolute best place possible because they pioneered the technique. I get why. But it's not necessarily reasonable. Obviously, if her cases needs that, she should get it. But it's really unclear from the article - is her case one that any competent surgeon could do, or only these surgeons can do. It does say they pioneered one technique, but that doesn't mean they are the only ones who do it or are good at it. She just says "i want the people who teach other people working on me", which certainly resonates with lots of people (i'm sure that's why it's there), but also, probably too high of a standard?

In the end - the absolute best of everything is expensive. Very expensive. I doubt a system can afford to have that happen for everyone, even if the insurers were not evil fraudsters. So even if we ever fix the insurer side, I think we will also have to fix the patient expectation side around standards of care.

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ivan_gammel ◴[] No.43665504[source]
The point of insurance is that it should not matter. Some providers may charge more, some less, insurance should care about the average. In other countries you may be treated by great doctors and still be covered by statutory insurance.

Patient primary expectation is always to have a doctor they can trust. That can be fixed only when all doctors get the decent money and comfortable work environment and that means several things: the less middlemen the better, the cost of living including housing should be affordable and put them in middle class, the treatment standards should give them enough time and flexibility, etc.

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1. DannyBee ◴[] No.43667863{3}[source]
I agree with the vast majority of what you say.

I will poke at one part:

"Patient primary expectation is always to have a doctor they can trust. "

I don't believe this was the expectation here - trust was not even mentioned. Only credentials were.

I don't disagree it should be the expectation, but it's definitely not in the US and i don't think you'll get there without changing how people think.

Even when it is, trust here seems to be often equated to "how impressive/popular a doctor they are", rather than "how effective a doctor they are" or something sane. At least in the US, the doctors patients trust the most are the ones with the most credentials, awards, etc. It's a popularity contest instead of a baseline competency contest.

If you listen to lots of people in the US talk about choosing and trusting doctors, it's about what school they went to, or what awards they've won, or who else they've treated. Not always, but lots of times. This is not a new thing.

For example - my parents (in their 80's), all of their friends, and heck everyone i've ever met in their community is the same way, and have been for at least 50 years. They don't actually trust doctors who didn't go to harvard, etc.

I think that has to change as well.