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adzm ◴[] No.43654878[source]
Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. The AI features in Photoshop are the best around in my experience and come in handy constantly for all sorts of touchup work.

Anyway I don't really think they deserve a lot of the hate they get, but I do hope this encourages development of viable alternatives to their products. Photoshop is still pretty much peerless. Illustrator has a ton of competitors catching up. After Effects and Premiere for video editing are getting overtaken by Davinci Resolve -- though for motion graphics it is still hard to beat After Effects. Though I do love that Adobe simply uses JavaScript for its expression and scripting language.

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numpad0 ◴[] No.43658496[source]
What it implies is, it's not really about ethics per se, just like it's not really about 6th digits per se. People hate AI images, cut and dry.

Law is agreeable hate, in a way. Things that gets enough hate will get regulated out, sooner or later.

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TeMPOraL ◴[] No.43658963[source]
> People hate AI images, cut and dry.

People hate bad AI images, because they hate bad images, period. They don't hate good AI images, and when they see great AI images, they don't even realize they are made by AI.

It's true, there's a deluge of bad art now, and it's almost entirely AI art. But it's not because AI models exist or how they're trained - it's because marketers[0] don't give a fuck about how people feel. AI art is cheap and takes little effort to get - it's so cheap and low-effort, that on the lower end of quality scale, there is no human competition. It makes no economic sense to commission human labor to make art this bad. But with AI, you can get it for free - and marketing loves this, because, again, they don't care about people or the commons[1], they just see an ability to get ahead by trading away quality for greater volume at lower costs.

In short: don't blame bad AI art on AI, blame it on people who spam us with it.

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[0] - I don't mean here just marketing agencies and people with marketing-related job titles, but also generally people engaging in excessive promotion of their services, content, or themselves.

[1] - Such as population-level aesthetic sensibilities, or sanity.

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numpad0 ◴[] No.43664352{3}[source]
I haven't seen a single AI image that were good let alone great.

To be completely honest, I can't always tell, but when I come across images that give me inexplicable gastric discomfort that I can't explain why, and then it was revealed that it had been AI generated, that explains it all(doesn't remove the discomfort, just explains it).

I don't have reasons to believe that I have above-average eyes on art among HNers, but it'll be funny and painful if so. I mean, I'm no Hayao "I sense insult to life itself" Miyazaki...

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1. gs17 ◴[] No.43666534{4}[source]
> I'm no Hayao "I sense insult to life itself" Miyazaki

He was saying that in response to a computer-animated zombie that dragged itself along in a grotesque manner. It wasn't that it was animated by a computer, it was that he found it offensive in that it felt like it was making light of the struggles of people with disabilities. You definitely would also find it disgusting.

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2. ben_w ◴[] No.43684587[source]
I do find the way things like this* get parroted to be mildly amusing, given the "stochastic parot" phrase existed.

* not only this contextually misleading quote, and I've also parotted things