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sriram_malhar ◴[] No.43661726[source]
Our minds have been so colonized or beaten down by powerful forces that _any_ support of the plight of the Palestine people is seen as pro-Hamas, even if I shout at the top of my voice that I don't care for the armed factions and political jockeying of either side.

I will expect to be downvoted to hell for this.

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edanm ◴[] No.43662010[source]
> Our minds have been so colonized or beaten down by powerful forces that _any_ support of the plight of the Palestine people is seen as pro-Hamas,

What makes you say that? Plenty of people express support for the Palestinian people, including plenty of governments and heads of state, etc.

I personally think that being pro-Palestine means you should be anti-Hamas, since they are a brutal dictatorship that's plundered its people's resources to engage in a war with Israel that has destroyed their lives.

The main worrying thing is when someone is not pro-Palestinian, they're either pro-Hamas or anti-Israel.

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sriram_malhar ◴[] No.43662384[source]
I agree with the last two paras, with the following addendum. I'm also pro-Israeli people, but I find their leadership (and the settlers) the same as Hamas. No different.

As for the first para, I have very close friends who have been harassed for expressing support for plight. If you are a university student in the US today and said exactly what I have said, you can be found guilty as a terrorist-sympathizer. I have been downvoted to hell on reddit and elsewhere for putting it as mildly as I did here.

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simion314 ◴[] No.43662803{3}[source]
Reddit is full of paid trolls that will pile in huge number to kill any discussion that is percived against Israel, you can\t talk about the latest war crimes Israel is doing without a number of accounts piling on you, accusing you of fascism, racis, that you do not know history, that the articles are false and no childrens were murdered, if they were some children killed then for sure some terrorists were hidding there with the children etc. It is actually impossible to talk about this topic on reddit, I can shit on Putin and Ruzzians all day so it is clear Israel has more money invested in their cyber army then the Zeds.
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edanm ◴[] No.43662820{4}[source]
Out of curiosity - how do you know they are paid trolls and not just people with those views on this issue?

Personally, I don't use Reddit much, but this is definitely not the sense I get from seeing reading e.g. Twitter, in which there are plenty of extremely anti-Israel voices.

Remember - we're all seeing our own personal echo chamber of content.

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1. t0lo ◴[] No.43663524{5}[source]
I don't use it too much, but I really recommend checking out the worldnews subreddit. Each story surrounding the me conflict is heavily curated, and the headline is chosen to minimise israeli culpability and direct discussion to other aspects. The comments are also overly vague and misdirecting, often focusing on different points and instantly tying in different issues which take a whole chain to address unpack, and then reorient towards the original discussion, even if having the guise of helpful discussion. You'll recognise it right away if you know what you're looking for.

The most common comments used to drown out actual criticism of israel and how to address its actions are actually the "aren't you glad we didn't vote for biden because he was bad for palestine" type. They will often be 4-5 of the top comments. Similar tactics are sadly used when discussing the crimes of the attack by emphasising the vileness of the acts in detail (despite both groups having plenty, and the world knowing both) and twisting the knife to make it too painful for people to engage with the discussion to exhaust them.

Let us not forget Israel has had a citizen driven hasbarah app which gives citizens "goals" (pre pasted propaganda messaged they are expected to post on their accounts) every morning to carry out online for over 7 years (reported by haaretz) https://youtu.be/iYzVOlcENZ4?si=IrN3FALmKVvIYkNJ I imagine it is much more discreet and efficient now.