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sriram_malhar ◴[] No.43661726[source]
Our minds have been so colonized or beaten down by powerful forces that _any_ support of the plight of the Palestine people is seen as pro-Hamas, even if I shout at the top of my voice that I don't care for the armed factions and political jockeying of either side.

I will expect to be downvoted to hell for this.

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edanm ◴[] No.43662010[source]
> Our minds have been so colonized or beaten down by powerful forces that _any_ support of the plight of the Palestine people is seen as pro-Hamas,

What makes you say that? Plenty of people express support for the Palestinian people, including plenty of governments and heads of state, etc.

I personally think that being pro-Palestine means you should be anti-Hamas, since they are a brutal dictatorship that's plundered its people's resources to engage in a war with Israel that has destroyed their lives.

The main worrying thing is when someone is not pro-Palestinian, they're either pro-Hamas or anti-Israel.

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sriram_malhar ◴[] No.43662384[source]
I agree with the last two paras, with the following addendum. I'm also pro-Israeli people, but I find their leadership (and the settlers) the same as Hamas. No different.

As for the first para, I have very close friends who have been harassed for expressing support for plight. If you are a university student in the US today and said exactly what I have said, you can be found guilty as a terrorist-sympathizer. I have been downvoted to hell on reddit and elsewhere for putting it as mildly as I did here.

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1. edanm ◴[] No.43662806[source]
> I'm also pro-Israeli people, but I find their leadership (and the settlers) the same as Hamas. No different.

I agree with the sentiment, but I wouldn't go quite so far, neither in the goals nor the tactics. Also, "Israeli leadership" is a pretty broad term - there are specific very bad actors, but the most extremist actors are largely a minority (with, unfortunately, far more political power than their minority support should give them).

Hamas is bad - current Israeli leadership is bad. But there are degrees of badness and I don't think it's correct to equate them.

It's also, tactically speaking, a pretty bad way to discuss these things, as most on the pro-Israel side will not really be receptive to arguments made from people who equate the two. Assuming your goal is to actually persuade people on the pro-Israeli side.

> As for the first para, I have very close friends who have been harassed for expressing support for plight. If you are a university student in the US today and said exactly what I have said, you can be found guilty as a terrorist-sympathizer.

That's pretty awful that that's the case. What can I say? I'm against it. Both in the broader sense of supporting free speech, and in the specific case here in which statements in support of the Palestinian people are obviously totally fine (and, IMO, the only moral stance).