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charlie0 ◴[] No.43618176[source]
This is exactly what happens when Product completely takes over the dev. team and they aren't given any control over their craft. Dev. team should always have x% amount devoted to things by devs for devs.
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bb88 ◴[] No.43618226[source]
Fixing other's shitty code doesn't push the needle -- particularly in an industry that strives to get customers to open their wallets and shell out hard currency.

If a company's ultimate goal is to extract money from people, then developers who can extract money faster (even if their rendering/loading algorithms suck) will get rewarded better than those who don't.

That's why enshittification is a thing (and actually come to think of it, not new either). It might be a dev that learned from product leadership that, "I could fix these 13 lines of code. But you know, our company could also sell a 'PRO' version subscription for $5 a month which provides the fix..."

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Spivak ◴[] No.43618272[source]
Yeah, it's sad but this is the reality. Caring about your craft is for your passion projects / hobbiest endeavors. Once your beautiful software meets the reality of the real world and business it all falls apart— you can either take a mindfulness approach and just come to accept it or let it drive you mad.

The goal is to write not-bad code. You're not trying to do shoddy work on purpose but good enough is good enough.

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SR2Z ◴[] No.43622986[source]
This is true, but a software company that does not provide good software well eventually do worse than one that does.

There is no substitute for actually providing value at the end of the day.

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einsteinx2 ◴[] No.43660133[source]
I used to think that, or maybe just wished it were true, but then looking at Microsoft’s valuation I’m not so sure it is…
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1. SR2Z ◴[] No.43661829{3}[source]
Windows works pretty well, regardless of how angry it makes OSS folks. Ditto for Office or really most products from MS...