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1210 points jbegley | 2 comments | 11 Apr 25 16:24 UTC | HN request time: 0.407s | source
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herf ◴[11 Apr 25 21:19 UTC] No.43658726[source]▶
This is a really hard problem. Just consider that there are ~150 Muslims for every Jew worldwide. In the USA it's the reverse - 2:1 in favor of Jews, concentrated in particular geographic areas.

Imagine what it means to get ranking right here - if you let just 1% of the international population into the USA ranking system, you have a majority in favor of Palestine, and of course these ideas will spread in communities without a lot of people who can represent Jewish history. It's clear to me why this happens, but fixing in an algorithmic but fair way is also extremely difficult.

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wesselbindt ◴[11 Apr 25 21:30 UTC] No.43658829[source]▶
I think there's an erroneous implicit assumption in your reasoning, namely that to be Zionist is equivalent to be Jewish, and to be anti-zionist is to be Muslim (otherwise, why would you be talking about Jew:Muslim ratios). The fact of the matter is that not every Zionist* is Jewish (in fact, the vast majority of Zionists are christian), and vice versa not every Jewish person is a Zionist (Jewish voice for peace, the ultra orthodox, etc).

But even beyond that, I think engaging in censorship to hide an ethnic cleansing is an affront to humanity.

* Here, I'm taking Zionism to mean to be in support of the way Israel has formed and continued to form in the past 77 or so years. I am aware that there are many different interpretations of Zionism (to illustrate the breadth; Noam Chomsky considered himself a Zionist), but this particular interpretation is the one that is relevant to this conversation.

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sfx77[dead post] ◴[12 Apr 25 02:44 UTC] No.43660882[source]▶
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t0lo ◴[12 Apr 25 02:57 UTC] No.43660950[source]▶
The pager attack indiscruminantly attacked healthcare workers and killed a 9 year old girl and another child. It was the definition of untargeted, immoral and unprofessional. How does eliminating over 3% of a population, of which the majority are women and children amount to anything but deliberate extermination? There is nothing defensive about the IOF, or the army which calls palestinian citizens "human animals" and says "no child is too young to be a terorist"
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sfx77 ◴[12 Apr 25 03:28 UTC] No.43661091[source]▶
There is nothing indiscriminate about attacking Hizbollah pagers. There is however something indiscriminate about attacking civilians like on Oct 7. Targeting civilians as a matter of fact. Even if someone called them "animals" it's hardly equivalent to women being raped and having their breasts cut off, and being stabbed while being raped. That would be "treating" people like animals. Let's not forget who launched this whole war. Hamas.
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Philpax ◴[12 Apr 25 04:05 UTC] No.43661269[source]▶
You're right, attacking civilians is bad. So what does it say about a nation when it kills at least fifty thousand? (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...)
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sfx77 ◴[12 Apr 25 05:22 UTC] No.43661574[source]▶
Because when you say that it makes it sounds like Israel randomly attacked Palestinians, which is not what happened. (can you re-enable comments on your comments?)
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t0lo ◴[12 Apr 25 05:26 UTC] No.43661586[source]▶
Three quarters of Israel's victims have been women and children. They had a nicknamed "Daddy's Home" protocol which was designed to blow up houses when the whole family was home to maximise the chance of killing the "alleged" terrorist (of which they only spent 10-20 seconds identifying). Are you blind to the atrocities of the past two years or do you really just not value an innocent palestinian life the same as an innocent israeli life.

(I think that you can only comment on a new comment after a couple of minutes)

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1. sfx77 ◴[12 Apr 25 05:46 UTC] No.43661679[source]▶
that's a lie. https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-quietly-drops-thousands-dea... https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/14/world/israel-gaza-wa... It's not even the first lie as the UN revised their statistics silently as well.

It's pretty amazing how much bs you're willing to believe about Israel, yet not a single critique of the perpetrators of this attack or their supporters. Sounds to me like you're just set on condemning Israel no matter what the numbers say, no matter who attacks who, no matter if rape happens, children get kidnapped. It's weird.

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2. t0lo ◴[12 Apr 25 06:40 UTC] No.43661913[source]▶
You have refused to acknowledge the validity of my sources, or the others sources (lancet peer reviewed article), which highlight the significant imbalance in human suffering between the two sides, and continued to derail the topic away from the current atrocities. We have covered all of your arguments already. My only conclusion is that you don't believe palestinians have the same right to life as israelis, and that is a very sad conclusion, or you deliberately refuse to acknowledge the reality of it and get off on trying to win arguments from your position while already knowing it's morally flawed and are engaging in bad faith, which is disturbing. I only wish you could value all human life the same. You are missing out on something great. Palestinians are not animals any more than Israelis are.

Your classic claims of "un bias" "kangaroo court" and "world is biased against israel" have been proven wrong a hundredfold, and are stale and archaic by this point, and people will never stop supporting palestinians, because people who know they are moral and are set on being moral won't be put off, no matter how much you try and twist the knife. you wont silence morality, equality, or humanity, no matter how much you try to to help your narrative.