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1210 points jbegley | 5 comments | 11 Apr 25 16:24 UTC | HN request time: 0.819s | source
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aucisson_masque ◴[11 Apr 25 18:25 UTC] No.43656830[source]▶
I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over....

Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class.

you end up with most media complying with the official story pushed by government and friends, and most people believing that because no one has the time to fact check everything.

One could argue that the difference with russia is that someone can actually look for real information, but even in russia people have access to vpn to bypass the censorship.

Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Since everyone goes on mainstream media and they enforce the government narrative, you can't speak there. you are merely allowed to speak out in your little corner out of reach to anyone, and even then since most people believe the government propaganda, your arguments won't be heard at all.

The more i think about it, the less difference i see.

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NoTeslaThrow ◴[11 Apr 25 18:38 UTC] No.43656968[source]▶
Indeed. The editorial boards of these newsrooms are often staffed with people who attended the same schools and classes as those running the country. The social circles of the two worlds are extremely closely linked.

Of course, this means that the reporting isn't very good at addressing its blind spots–i.e., most of the news in the country, let alone the world, that isn't relevant to the ivy league coastal elites. And I say this as a member of that same class. Most of the political perspectives in my life are completely unrepresented in the opinion columns, which generally tend to pander upwards rather than downwards.

I don't tend to put much weight in freedom of the press so long as that press is floating on the cream of society and asking the government permission to report on what they're doing.

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1. mmooss ◴[12 Apr 25 05:08 UTC] No.43661532[source]▶
> The editorial boards of these newsrooms are often staffed with people who attended the same schools and classes as those running the country. The social circles of the two worlds are extremely closely linked.

This is a conspiracy theory - they are secretly conspiring. Do you have evidence of this conspiracy actually happening on any scale?

Many attended the same universities on all sides of politics and issues. The universities are big places that have been operating for generations. Ask someone who went to a university - do they know and agree with everyone else who went there? It's absurd.

> most of the news in the country, let alone the world, that isn't relevant to the ivy league coastal elites.

You need to do more than throw around stereotypes. Give us some evidence.

> I don't tend to put much weight in freedom of the press so long as that press is floating on the cream of society and asking the government permission to report on what they're doing.

Who asked permission?

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2. NoMoreNicksLeft ◴[12 Apr 25 07:36 UTC] No.43662222[source]▶
>This is a conspiracy theory

Doesn't meet the criteria of what people typically call a conspiracy theory. It's easily verified or debunked by amateurs with publicly available information, it doesn't seem absurd on its face, and it makes no claims other than those of association (certainly none of blatant felony, coup, or world domination).

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3. jl6 ◴[12 Apr 25 11:01 UTC] No.43663331[source]▶
> no claims other than those of association

Yeah but that’s how modern conspiracy theories work. They have evolved beyond the old staples like flat earth and moon landing stuff which make clear statements. They instead just insinuate. And that’s enough to achieve the intended effect: to move your predispositions, while remaining immune to debunking because they haven’t made any specific claim.

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4. NoMoreNicksLeft ◴[12 Apr 25 20:35 UTC] No.43667745{3}[source]▶
>Yeah but that’s how modern conspiracy theories work. T

That is indeed how modern conspiracy theories work. They make outlandish claims that aren't supported by scientific fact, that some shadowy group controls the world through improbable means, and offer no evidence.

"Hey, these two groups are awfully cozy together" just isn't even close to being anything like a conspiracy theory. You've stretched your fallacious counter-argument too far.

5. mmooss ◴[13 Apr 25 21:07 UTC] No.43675866[source]▶
> Doesn't meet the criteria of what people typically call a conspiracy theory.

You mean that you find it credible. But we need evidence; human intuition of truth has led to 9.x thousand years of pre-science.

> It's easily verified or debunked by amateurs with publicly available information

If there was a specific factual claim - about who and what associations - it would take a mountain of research to explore it across the very many people involved. But there's not a specific claim - like most conspiracy theories.

And the implications, the only things that matter here, are unspoken conspiracy theories - again unspecified.

> it doesn't seem absurd on its face, and it makes no claims other than those of association (certainly none of blatant felony, coup, or world domination).

You know what claims it implies; otherwise it would be meaningless.