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    1210 points jbegley | 11 comments | 11 Apr 25 16:24 UTC | HN request time: 1.361s | source | bottom
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    aucisson_masque ◴[11 Apr 25 18:25 UTC] No.43656830[source]▶
    I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over....

    Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class.

    you end up with most media complying with the official story pushed by government and friends, and most people believing that because no one has the time to fact check everything.

    One could argue that the difference with russia is that someone can actually look for real information, but even in russia people have access to vpn to bypass the censorship.

    Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Since everyone goes on mainstream media and they enforce the government narrative, you can't speak there. you are merely allowed to speak out in your little corner out of reach to anyone, and even then since most people believe the government propaganda, your arguments won't be heard at all.

    The more i think about it, the less difference i see.

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    uniqueuid ◴[11 Apr 25 18:35 UTC] No.43656934[source]▶
    You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no?

    https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

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    perihelions ◴[11 Apr 25 18:41 UTC] No.43657006[source]▶
    America's arrested rather a large number of people in recent weeks—university students, mostly—for expressing viewpoints on the I/P conflict. The current Administration is claiming, and no one's yet stopped them, that First Amendment rights don't apply to non-citizens such as international students.

    - "You’re not arrested for posting this"

    For what it's worth, it's widely reported that ICE is trawling social media to find targets (targeted for their speech/viewpoints). HN itself is one of their known targets.

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    maeil ◴[11 Apr 25 20:40 UTC] No.43658284[source]▶
    Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged.

    His coworkers at SentinelOne (almost certainly most of who are citizens) also had their clearances revoked, despite never speaking out on the topic, purely as a North Korea style "punish the whole family" approach to strike fear into people of guilt by association, so that those who have spoken out in any shape or form become social pariahs.

    Citizens having their career taken away for saying an election wasn't rigged, or for happening to work at the same place as someone who said this.

    If you think the status quo hasn't yet changed to "In countries like China, Russia and the US, speaking out against the government puts both your livelihood and that of those in your vicinity at serious risk", you're dead wrong.

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    1. d0gsg0w00f ◴[12 Apr 25 00:31 UTC] No.43660198[source]▶
    To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud.

    IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?

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    2. anigbrowl ◴[12 Apr 25 00:41 UTC] No.43660257[source]▶
    This is not true. People who claimed the election was rigged were asked to back up their claims with evidence. Typically they never did, although a smaller number made an effort...but the profferred evidence was nonsensical. I am not just talking about talking heads widely quoted on TV or social media posts, I read a lot of election litigation.

    I think the anti-mask people had some valid points, but they sank their own boat by ranting about 'masktards' and 'face diapers' while also demonstrating callous indifference to the large number of deaths.

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    3. mrbombastic ◴[12 Apr 25 00:52 UTC] No.43660310[source]▶
    Can you give some examples of things related to those topics you think are equivalent to what is happening right now? Are you referring to facebook and twitter censorship of those topics?
    4. RajT88 ◴[12 Apr 25 00:53 UTC] No.43660317[source]▶
    Dave Lobue and Justin Mealey should be forever shamed for the farce they put up during the hearings in Georgia.

    https://www.charliekirk.com/news/georgia-data-scientist-prov...

    If you check their work based on the publicly available data, you find that based on their logic there was a clear case for Trump cheating. Right wing media reporting the story, of course, did not.

    5. const_cast ◴[12 Apr 25 01:20 UTC] No.43660445[source]▶
    Nobody was made that people thought the election was rigged. They were frustrated with their lack of evidence, and then mad at their attempt at an insurrection. And then really pissed off at their complete lack of accountability afterwards.

    Same thing with Covid. Nobody was mad if you thought masks were stupid. They were mad if you didn’t wear your mask, putting immunocompromised people at risk for your own selfish reasons.

    There’s a difference between speech and actions. Doing things that actually, literally, kill people is a problem.

    6. JadeNB ◴[12 Apr 25 02:09 UTC] No.43660697[source]▶
    > To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud.

    Did anyone have their, and their coworkers', security clearance revoked just for saying either of those? (There are other activities that could have been taken by people saying the election was rigged that could have led to a loss of security clearance, but I don't think that just the statement did it.)

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    7. edmundsauto ◴[12 Apr 25 02:19 UTC] No.43660736[source]▶
    So people in government claiming it was rigged should probably lose their jobs, as they were advancing harmful narratives related to their jobs. Journalists were (rightly) ridiculed, but there is a significant difference. I might not use a mechanic who is antivax; I would advocate a doctor be fired.
    8. mmooss ◴[12 Apr 25 05:40 UTC] No.43661651[source]▶
    There's a difference between truth and lies - an actual, material, essential difference. It's not politics, it's truth.

    People can take any relativistic position they want, but that difference is essential to anything and everything: The truth about database i/o performance is essential to your project; the truth about climate change is essential to preventing catastrophe; the truth about Covid was essential to saving millions of lives - and many died and much blood is on the hands of the liars.

    But the liars were not, and shouldn't have been, arrested, deported, extorted, threatened, etc.

    9. Braxton1980 ◴[12 Apr 25 07:29 UTC] No.43662184[source]▶
    >To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged,

    No they weren't

    Not in the amount of court cases, elected politicans stating the view, and January 6th

    When a few Democrats starting objecting to the 2016 results. Joe Biden, in congress during the certification, slammed the gavel down and said "it's over"

    https://www.npr.org/2017/01/06/508562183/biden-to-democrats-...

    To even compare the two situations it's insane.

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    11. lenkite ◴[14 Apr 25 04:55 UTC] No.43678172[source]▶
    Yes, lots of people got fired for claiming those in the Covid days. The selective memory of the majority opinion here on HN is deeply distressing, but understandable due to blind tribal support for the democratic party.

    Large swathes of people were first identified for being antivax when they self-registered under the religious exemption scheme and then were harassed and fired. It was cunningly done with the media paying no attention.