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aucisson_masque ◴[] No.43656830[source]
I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over....

Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class.

you end up with most media complying with the official story pushed by government and friends, and most people believing that because no one has the time to fact check everything.

One could argue that the difference with russia is that someone can actually look for real information, but even in russia people have access to vpn to bypass the censorship.

Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Since everyone goes on mainstream media and they enforce the government narrative, you can't speak there. you are merely allowed to speak out in your little corner out of reach to anyone, and even then since most people believe the government propaganda, your arguments won't be heard at all.

The more i think about it, the less difference i see.

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1. kubb ◴[] No.43657562[source]
Anna Politkovskaya – Investigative journalist and critic of the Chechen war, shot in Moscow (2006). Alexander Litvinenko – Ex-FSB officer poisoned with polonium in London (2006).

Stanislav Markelov & Anastasia Baburova – Human rights lawyer and journalist, shot in Moscow (2009).

Boris Nemtsov – Opposition leader, shot near the Kremlin (2015).

Denis Voronenkov – Former Russian MP, shot in Kyiv (2017).

Nikolai Andrushchenko – Journalist, beaten to death in St. Petersburg (2017).

Alexei Navalny – Opposition leader, died in prison after previous poisoning (2024).

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The difference is that they murder their political opponents for show to make their people be afraid of dissent.

You comparing it with some (disgusting, vile) social media company (which would improve the world immensely if it disappeared) is completely inappropriate.

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2. sharpshadow ◴[] No.43658313[source]
If you gonna mix in politicians and opposition the USA has a extensive list themselves.
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3. basisword ◴[] No.43658548[source]
"We're not as bad as them" is a poor argument. Particularly while America quickly slides in that direction. Just take a look at the deportation of Venezuelans especially the case of the wrongly deported man that the government conveniently "can't find". That's a story comparable to the stories Americans tell about Russia and China.
4. bradly ◴[] No.43658642[source]
I think OP is more using this incident along with many others. Things similar to in February when the President signed executive orders that imposed sanctions on American law firms and lawyers which included suspension of security clearances, termination of government contracts, and restrictions preventing firm employees from accessing federal buildings. (https://www.justsecurity.org/110109/president-cannot-issue-a...)

I have no idea how to talk equality to speak of whether they are comparable or not, but I do think people are seeing a different atmosphere.

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5. tdeck ◴[] No.43659309[source]
Fred Hampton would have something to say if, you know, he were still alive.
6. vaidhy ◴[] No.43660827[source]
Is this an example of whataboutism?
7. subscribed ◴[] No.43663312[source]
Trump is barely, like, 90? days into his presidency and his gestapo is already kidnapping people and shipping them to torture camps contrary to the court orders.

Putler is an established dicktator with a long list of killing his own citizens with impunity.

Give trump a couple of years. He can't do it overnight, he needs to cook the Americans slowly. Hitler didn't turn the Germans into Nazis overnight either.

8. MomsAVoxell ◴[] No.43663747[source]
I mean, you don’t have to go far to find Soviet-style political repression in the USA.

Julian Assange says hi.

9. kubb ◴[] No.43666043[source]
Sure, combined with others it makes sense. Just Facebook isn't enough to draw equivalence though.