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1210 points jbegley | 3 comments | | HN request time: 0.699s | source
1. bazalia ◴[] No.43657230[source]
Is it just me or is this post very low on the hacker news order even though it has much more upvotes in a short time than much of the posts above it.
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2. dang ◴[] No.43657264[source]
This is in the FAQ: see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#whyrank ("Why is A ranked below B even though A has more points and is newer?"). But here's a longer answer.

In the case of a story like this, which has significant new information (SNI) [1] on a major ongoing topic (MOT) [2], and at least some hope of a substantive discussion, moderators sometimes turn off the user flags on the story [3] so that it can spend time on HN's front page.

In such cases, we usually adjust the degree to which we turn off the flags so that the tug-of-war between upvotes and flags isn't affected too dramatically. Usually the best way to support a substantive discussion is for the story to remain on HN's front page, but not in the highest few slots, where it would burn much hotter.

Since upvotes and submission time are public data but flags aren't, it can appear like a story is being downweighted when in fact the opposite is the case, as with this thread. That's not a rule, though—we do also downweight stories sometimes. That's why the FAQ explains that you can't derive rank from votes and time alone.

The reason moderation works this way, btw, is that HN is a curated site [4] (and always has been—here's me explaining this when I took over HN 11 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7494621).

Moderators' job is to jiggle the system out of the failure modes [5] it would otherwise end up in if the software were running unattended. Turning off flags on certain stories, and adding downweight to other stories, are two examples. The goal is the same: to support substantive discussion on interesting stories, and (as a necessary condition for that) prevent the site from burning too hot if we can.

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[4] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

[5] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

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3. bazalia ◴[] No.43661866[source]
Thank you for the detailed and professional response. I'm glad I learend something new out of this as I was ignorant about the complexities of managing HN post rankings.