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1210 points jbegley | 26 comments | | HN request time: 1.789s | source | bottom
1. megaman821 ◴[] No.43657125[source]
Since service is manditory for most Isrealies, that just mean the 100 Isrealies in a company of 74,000 employees and somehow that is a conspiracy?
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2. submeta ◴[] No.43657181[source]
These are people having stronger loyalty to Israel than to the US. Also, would US conpanies employ people with strong ties to Russia, knowing they would suppress any criticism of Russia‘s war in Ukraine? Apparently that’s what these Meta employees with strong ties to Israel did: Suppress any criticism of Israel‘s apparent war crimes in Gaza, for which there are arrest warrants from the ICC.
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4. smt88 ◴[] No.43657203[source]
The US is about 0.05% Israeli, so it's not a conspiracy, but Israelis are certainty a much higher proportion of Meta than most other companies and countries outside of Israel.
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5. bradlys ◴[] No.43657205[source]
It being only 100 seems kinda low for the size of Meta and how many Israelis live in the Bay Area. There is a very large contingent that lives in Palo Alto and Sunnyvale.

They’re nowhere near as large as the Chinese and Indian population but probably close to third place for largest foreign born tech worker populace in SV.

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6. 9283409232 ◴[] No.43657233{3}[source]
> knowing they would suppress any criticism of Russia‘s war in Ukraine?

This is a leap in logic. You have no idea that they would know they would do this.

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7. submeta ◴[] No.43657237[source]
Downvote however you like. We know how strong the influence is.

„ LEAKED AUDIO OF CEO OF AIPAC Rubio, Stefanik, Waltz … they all have sth in common ... relationships with key AIPAC leaders"

Ratcliffe, one of the first candidates I ever met as an AIPAC rep ... he took the oath as CIA director, for crying out loud https://x.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status/1910101143268508094

8. submeta ◴[] No.43657367{4}[source]
Ahh, that‘s why university presidents were fired because they allowed students to protest against Israel‘s war crimes in Palestine? But no Meta employee is fired for suppressing criticism of war crimes?
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9. 9283409232 ◴[] No.43657785{5}[source]
For all the illegal or immoral things Meta employees do and do not get fired for, this is very low on the list.
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10. MaxDPS ◴[] No.43658056{3}[source]
100/74,000 = 0.00135 or 0.135%
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11. submeta ◴[] No.43658084[source]
Yeah, and in what positions are these 100 ex IDF soldiers? Just some random frontend developers? Or overseeing community management?
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12. submeta ◴[] No.43658189{4}[source]
in what positions are these 100 ex IDF soldiers? Just some random frontend developers? Or overseeing community management?
13. submeta ◴[] No.43658193[source]
in what positions are these 100 ex IDF soldiers? Just some random frontend developers? Or overseeing community management?
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14. bradlys ◴[] No.43658354{3}[source]
All positions. I've worked with many devs to executives that all were from Israel and had served in the IDF.
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15. submeta ◴[] No.43658513{4}[source]
Then it’s doubly critical. A tiny country having citizens in top positions in critical media companies suppressing any criticism of their governments conduct sounds like accusations we make against NK or Russia.

You might think: Well, what does that effect the world if a tiny country flattens an even tinier other region. Then have a look at how Netanyahu for decades pushed for US wars in the ME and is now pushing for the US starting a war against Iran.

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16. yes_really ◴[] No.43658546[source]
Virtually all Israelis, both men and women, serve in the IDF from 18 to 21 years old. So the criticism is that Meta employs 100 Israelis out of its 74k US employees?

That's 0.1%. The Indians and Chinese immigrants cover a much larger percentage. Does that mean that Meta is controlled by India and China?

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17. bradlys ◴[] No.43658581{5}[source]
You could say the same about all the Chinese and Indian people who are massively over-represented in these companies. Go into the FB Ads org and try to find a single all American team, lol. You'll have a hard time even finding one American to begin with.
18. YZF ◴[] No.43661614{3}[source]
I guess they're really good at what they do? As was said every Israel is ex-IDF. Service is mandatory. Many Israelis oppose Israel's government's policies as well.
19. steventhedev ◴[] No.43661794{3}[source]
By that incredibly racist logic Meta should only hire born and bred Americans. How many Russians work at Meta? How many Palestinians?
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20. kombine ◴[] No.43662111{4}[source]
That was not the point. You can hire both Russians and Israelis, as long as they were not involved in the occupation of Ukraine and Palestine respectively. It gets more trickier with Israel, because of the mandatory conscription to the occupying army, whereas virtually all Russians working in tech that I personally know never served in the Russian military.
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21. mlindner ◴[] No.43662853[source]
And it's comments like this that make being pro-Palestine an impossible position to hold.
22. HappyPanacea ◴[] No.43663443{3}[source]
> The burden of the proof should lie with the Israelis that they were not involved in committing war crimes.

This is the opposite of innocent until proven guilty, it is up to the accuser to present evidence not the other way around.

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23. steventhedev ◴[] No.43666741{5}[source]
At no point did submeta qualify their statement to only apply to former soldiers. Quite the rather - they removed the nuance that did exist in their quoted propaganda articles and made it explicitly based on national origin only.
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24. kombine ◴[] No.43670292{4}[source]
> This is the opposite of innocent until proven guilty

No one is stating they are guilty, but serving in the IDF gives reasonable grounds to suspect someone could be involved in violations of human rights. This military's main task is to maintain an illegal occupation over millions of people. When you apply for a UK visa, for example, you do have to answer questions whether you were involved in war crimes, so it's pretty standard.

> it is up to the accuser to present evidence not the other way around.

I think you are confused, the context of this conversation is hiring for companies, not a court hearing. This principle does not apply here. If they cannot reasonably convince they didn't abuse Palestinians, they just don't get considered, that's it.

25. kombine ◴[] No.43672361{6}[source]
No, submeta specifically talked about people with "strong ties to Russia" and "strong ties to Israel". This needs clarification, but in the context of the article this clearly means to the country's governments or military, not any random national.

> their quoted propaganda articles

Their comment is now flagged, but from memory the articles they linked were factual. You can label them propaganda all you want, this does not change the truth.

26. submeta ◴[] No.43679379{4}[source]
And you mean soldiers of an apartheid state, that is accused of genocide and whose leaders have arrest wartants from the highest court, are like soldiers from any other country?

Sources Declaring Israel's Practices as Apartheid:

1. UN Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory: Michael Lynk's report concludes that Israel's practices in the OPT amount to apartheid [3][9][12].

2. International Court of Justice (ICJ): Found Israel responsible for apartheid in its advisory opinion [1][7].

3. Amnesty International: Describes Israel's treatment of Palestinians as apartheid, a crime against humanity [2][5][10].

4. Human Rights Watch: Concludes that Israel's policies constitute apartheid and persecution against Palestinians [4][5].

5. International Commission of Jurists (ICJ): Denounces Israel's system of apartheid against Palestinians [8].

6. B'Tselem: An Israeli human rights group that has also described Israel's practices as apartheid [9].

7. Al-Haq and other Palestinian organizations: Submitted reports to UN bodies arguing that Israel maintains an apartheid regime [4].

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