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The thing about Europe: it's the actual land of the free now

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160 points cruzcampo | 6 comments | 11 Apr 25 08:04 UTC | HN request time: 1.03s | source | bottom
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nickslaughter02 ◴[11 Apr 25 09:04 UTC] No.43651862[source]▶
The land of the free which wants to force companies to install a mandatory on-device scanning of your communication? The land of the free which wants to break end to end encryption and allow the government to spy on you? We have wildly different definitions of "free".

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/

https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/03/eu_backdoor_encryptio...

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1. palata ◴[11 Apr 25 09:10 UTC] No.43651907[source]▶
> which wants to force companies to install a mandatory on-device scanning of your communication?

To be fair, it's only in discussions now, it hasn't been voted AFAIK and it hasn't been implemented.

Compare that to the NSA... ever heard of Snowden?

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2. nickslaughter02 ◴[11 Apr 25 09:19 UTC] No.43651968[source]▶
> To be fair, it's only in discussions now, it hasn't been voted AFAIK and it hasn't been implemented.

Correct but ChatControl now has a majority among EU Commissioners. The fact that something like this is even proposed in the "free" land and the people responsible not laughed out of the room is sickening.

> Compare that to the NSA... ever heard of Snowden?

Spying on your unencrypted communication? That's not comparable + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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3. palata ◴[11 Apr 25 09:27 UTC] No.43652028[source]▶
> Spying on your unencrypted communication?

Either you're in bad faith, or you actually don't know how it works in the US and what the NSA was (probably is still) doing.

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4. nickslaughter02 ◴[11 Apr 25 10:22 UTC] No.43652330{3}[source]▶
Do tell.
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5. disgruntledphd2 ◴[11 Apr 25 11:16 UTC] No.43652604[source]▶
> Correct but ChatControl now has a majority among EU Commissioners. The fact that something like this is even proposed in the "free" land and the people responsible not laughed out of the room is sickening.

I agree that this is terrible, but based on prior ECJ rulings, this will almost certainly be struck down if it's ever passed.

6. palata ◴[11 Apr 25 11:19 UTC] No.43652623{4}[source]▶
For instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Revelations