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1. pjc50 ◴[] No.43651653[source]

(paywalled, commenting on above the fold section)

> There are thus no European Rasputins pumping untold millions into political campaigns, getting pride of place at leaders’ inaugurations or their own new-minted government departments to run

I think this is underselling the very real risks of European-style fascism, driven by the same social media and other forces, just because it doesn't exactly resemble Musk. But it does seem like the crisis is now compelling the cozy ""centre"" to actually do something, like re-armament and actually prosecuting politicians for their financial fraud. Not just Le Pen but previously things like Wirecard.

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2. sigmoid10 ◴[] No.43651702[source]

>like re-armament and actually prosecuting politicians for their financial fraud. Not just Le Pen but previously things like Wirecard.

In the end, all those things can be traced to curbing Russia's direct and indirect warfare. Re-armament? Direct Russian threat. Le Pen? Financed by Russia. Marsalek? Part of a Russian spy-network that operated from Austria, where the FPÖ is not just financed by Russia but also has a literal cooperation contract with Putin. Similar story with the AfD in Germany.

The US used to be good at this as well. If they were as close to the war in Ukraine as Europe is, they might still be. But instead they have gone from being the biggest opponent of Russia to one of it's most subverted supporters.

3. rbanffy ◴[] No.43651734[source]

We have plenty of foreign Rasputins to complain about, as well as some local ones.

4. jabl ◴[] No.43651752[source]

Modern European democracy is indeed not immune to fascism (or something resembling it, to stave of a quibble of what actually fascism means). Most prominently Orban in Hungary. Poland was well on their way towards something similar, but luckily a major electoral defeat caused a reversal of this development.

Most European countries do have their own far-right parties (like Le Pen in France, AFD in Germany, etc.). But with multi-winner districts and lots of other parties, they struggle to gain anything resembling a majority that would enable them to rule by fiat. Also politics in most European countries is much more parliament driven, with the prime minister having a lot less power and more oversight than e.g. the US president.