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hnburnsy ◴[] No.43636748[source]
The thread was kind of hand wavy over the "$24* discount" for Footlocker? From the linked article...

>Footlocker’s purchase price (read footnote #3) for every sale of $100 shows up as $66 in their financial reports, and not $50. In plain terms, Footlocker sells its merchandise for a 24% discount on the average.

So $100 was never the sale price, just some made up, hoped for number that only appears on the shoe box, and not on anyone's financial statements. Really this should be Footlocker makes $6 on selling a $66 sneaker, for a margin of ~9%.

BTW, both Footlocker and Dick's have gross margins ~30% but Dick's has an operating margin around 12% while FL is 1-2%. Clearly FL is an inferior retailer.

And the linked article does cover Nike selling directly...

>And what happens if brands skip the retailers and operate their own stores? adidas and Nike already have their own shops, but direct-to-customer retail comes with its set of challenges. Brands will incur costs otherwise absent in the wholesale business model; spends like leasing+manpower+operational costs, store set-up and periodic re-modelling cost, the entire risk of inventory, and costs associated with warehousing and distribution. That’s only at the store level, there will be additional off-site resources needed in the back-end to support retail operations. The brands will make some extra margin selling out of their own stores, but the best case scenario will be an additional 10%, which is slightly above what a highly evolved retailer like Footlocker makes annually after taxes.

I would argue that a great deal of selling today is direct, no stores involved at all.

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1. ericmcer ◴[] No.43645592[source]
I agree, isn't most selling online nowadays?

This also doesn't make sense because buying shoes from Nike.com costs roughly the same as Footlocker. Is Nike taking that 50% cut in this case? Article definitely hand waves away a ton of the complexity around tariffs and global trade.

My favorite line is: "Asian manufacturing in Asia produces US jobs. You go to Footlocker to buy a pair of $100 shoes because you can afford them. This creates jobs for the Footlocker employees".

It feels like people have completely flipped their views on offshoring manufacturing in the last 6 months. If you go back 10 years ago we were barraged with stories about Foxconn, corporations exploiting workers in developing nations, and scenes of abandoned manufacturing cities like Detroit. The popular view was that we needed to build our manufacturing base back up and that using developing nations to pump out cheap disposable goods was bad for everyone except giant corporations.

Now we are getting told that corporations offshoring all their labor to developing nations is good, and that the USA should not do manufacturing. This article even asserts that we will lose jobs if we produce things domestically.

I don't agree with the ham-fisted bullying approach Trump is using, but I do agree with the philosophical underpinning. Offshoring all our manufacturing is not a good long term strategy and will slowly erode the value of labor and our economy.

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2. hnburnsy ◴[] No.43649135[source]
The quoted article from the thread is from 2016, so yeah more selling is online and direct from the manufacturers.
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3. hnburnsy ◴[] No.43649149[source]
Nike Sales DTC versus Total

  Fiscal Year | DTC Sales (in billion USD) | Total Sales (in billion USD) | DTC as % of Total Sales
  ----------- | -------------------------- | ---------------------------- | ----------------------
  2020        | 12.4                       | 37.4                         | 33%
  2021        | 16.4                       | 44.5                         | 37%
  2022        | 18.7                       | 46.7                         | 40%
  2023        | 20.3                       | 47.6                         | 43%
  2024        | 21.5                       | 48.2                         | 45%