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America Is Backsliding Toward Its Most Polluted Era

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150 points pmags | 12 comments | 10 Apr 25 12:48 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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RajT88 ◴[10 Apr 25 13:12 UTC] No.43643433[source]▶
I've observed this weird cognitive dissonance with outdoorsmen, since I am quite fond of fishing.

They tend to be a pretty hardcore MAGA bunch, but also don't like pollution because it messes up their sport. When you ask them about stuff like this (how can you support someone who pretty openly wants to mess up your pastime?), they get mad or change the subject.

I get it - people are complicated and can care about many things at once. Nobody likes it when someone is seemingly poking at their belief systems. Still - you'd think it'd give them some kind of pause.

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1. amazingamazing ◴[10 Apr 25 13:17 UTC] No.43643479[source]▶
I’ve observed that generalizations are usually wrong. There are plenty of MAGA people who care about the environment, and there are indeed MAGA people who couldn’t care less too.

It’s also strange to single out MAGA on cognitive dissonance- everyone, regardless of political affiliation has it.

At the end of the day blame the two party system. There are hundreds of thousands of people who voted for Obama and Trump, Biden and then Trump again. Let that sink in.

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2. RajT88 ◴[10 Apr 25 13:21 UTC] No.43643520[source]▶
It's not much of a generalization if I'm talking about the people in my community. YMMV.
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3. amazingamazing ◴[10 Apr 25 13:25 UTC] No.43643546[source]▶
It’s still generalization even if it’s about people in your community…

If I talk about people in Brooklyn broadly is it not a generalization because it’s my community? lol

No wonder political discourse is completely broken.

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4. yCombLinks ◴[10 Apr 25 13:29 UTC] No.43643582[source]▶
MAGA is level 10 on it. They went from the hardcore Christian party to supporting the biggest crook American politics has ever seen, that isn't even capable of basic kindness. Same with veterans. A draft dodger, that has called our fallen soldiers losers, and skipped out on ceremonies honoring them, that presidents traditionally attend. MAGA jumped from deficit hawks, to supporting huge tax cuts that will explode the deficit. It's not even close who is worse here.
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5. amazingamazing ◴[10 Apr 25 13:30 UTC] No.43643587[source]▶
I think we’d agree that trump is maga, but is every voter for trump?
6. RajT88 ◴[10 Apr 25 13:30 UTC] No.43643588{3}[source]▶
I'm not talking about my city - I'm talking about the people on my fishing forums, or who I meet down by the river.

The talking point about Brooklyn is about as dumb a "Gotcha" as you'd expect in:

> political discourse is completely broken.

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8. kahrl ◴[10 Apr 25 13:32 UTC] No.43643603[source]▶
While everyone has the ability to have cognitive dissonance, please don't ignore the reality that MAGA is a bunch of weirdo cultist fuckos brainwashed by extremist propaganda media.
9. monkey_monkey ◴[10 Apr 25 13:34 UTC] No.43643614[source]▶
The majority of MAGA don't care about the environment (especially wrt climate change), and in fact probably no longer believe that pollution is harmful.

I would not be surprised if smoking also makes a comeback as MAGA types continue down the anti-science crusade and pour scorn on the link between smoking and lung cancer and other types of health outcomes.

10. ada1981 ◴[10 Apr 25 13:46 UTC] No.43643728[source]▶
I mean, I don't understand how you could care about the environment and vote for Trump.

He's actively unwinding decades of environmental policy and protections, destaffing and defunding national parks, and opening up logging 100MM acres which will be gone in no time at all.

He's the kind of guy that says "we are going to have the cleanest air and water" and then literally does the opposite policy wise.

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11. fallingknife ◴[10 Apr 25 13:56 UTC] No.43643824[source]▶
Trees are a renewable resource. It won't be gone at all. Not only that, but the US is actually logging at a slower rate than trees are growing. We are currently gaining over 2000 square miles of forest every year.
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12. ada1981 ◴[10 Apr 25 18:47 UTC] No.43646948{3}[source]▶
This is because we import most of our lumber, which is not going to happen any more.

We can wipe all of that out and then wait 20 years.