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JSR_FDED ◴[] No.43631980[source]
It’s like people excited about the new datacenter being built in their town, think of all the jobs that will bring they cry. Nobody realizes it takes 6 people to run a datacenter.

Bringing “manufacturing back to the US” is a fool’s errand. The future of manufacturing is automation, not jobs.

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jacknews ◴[] No.43632390[source]
i don't understand the obsession with jobs anyway

people don't want a job, they want money and purpose

most jobs barely deliver either

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bpt3 ◴[] No.43632969[source]
Can you propose something better that provides money and purpose?

Keep in mind that most people are unwilling and unable to sustainably maintain self-employment.

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kjkjadksj ◴[] No.43634050[source]
Something like a grant from the government to work on your project of interest with no expectation that it be commercially successful. You want to be an artist the government gives you a grant to support yourself while contributing to the cultural lexicon. Scarecity is manufactured today for profit and not real; nobody needs to work at a 7/11 but they are essentially trapped into those sorts of jobs because they are profitable for those business owners vs a good use of creativity or labor for our species.

Now before you get all hung up how this isn’t possible. There is precedent. The government would do just this during the great depression, sponsoring artists knowing it is more valuable to have artists in the population than to lose that talent pool and benefits to culture over cold cruel economics.

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bpt3 ◴[] No.43634429[source]
Why on Earth would taxpayers give their hard earned money to other people to work on their "projects of interest"?

Scarcity is very real, I'm not sure why you would feel otherwise. Fortunately, we have largely eliminated scarcity of the necessities of life due to economic policies that are as far from your suggestions as possible, but that doesn't mean that they are produced at no cost or that scarcity in general does not exist.

And you don't need to go back 100 years for precedent. We basically paid people to sit at home during covid, and I didn't see some sort of renaissance as a result. Why would this be any different?

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kjkjadksj ◴[] No.43637063[source]
Maybe it is more meaningful for people to be creative than it is to staff yet another sheetz on the side of the road because truckers tend to piss and need smokes at that intersection. But who knows maybe you are right and it is better we take on jobs at a local gas station if we have such a wonderful opportunity like that in front of us. So much innovation is produced as we know from people who have the opportunity to work 60 hour weeks on minimum wages between two jobs that won't schedule them full time and incur any potential added worker benefits from having a full time vs part time laborer. You are right.
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1. beeflet ◴[] No.43642329[source]
meaningful for who?