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395 points pseudolus | 1 comments | 09 Apr 25 15:41 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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_tom_ ◴[10 Apr 25 05:34 UTC] No.43640954[source]▶
No one seems to be talking about the fact that we need to change the definition of cheating.

People's careers are going to be filled with AI. College needs to prepare them for that reality, not to get jobs that are now extinct.

If they are never going to have to program without AI, what's the point in teaching them to do it? It's like expecting them to do arithmetic by hand. No one does.

For every class, teachers need to be asking themselves "is this class relevant" and "what are the learning goals in this class? Goals that they will still need, in a world with AI".

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nneonneo ◴[10 Apr 25 06:26 UTC] No.43641222[source]▶
That's brilliant!

I mean, arithmetic is the same way, right? Nobody should do the arithmetic by hand, as you say. Kindergarten teachers really ought to just hand their kids calculators, tell them they should push these buttons like this, and write down the answers. No need to teach them how to do routine arithmetics like 3+4 when a calculator can do it for them.

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djmips ◴[10 Apr 25 07:09 UTC] No.43641457[source]▶
I'm not sure you aren't being a little bit sarcastic but essentially that's true.
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suddenlybananas ◴[10 Apr 25 07:17 UTC] No.43641502[source]▶
If kids don't go through the struggle of understanding arithmetic, higher math will be very very difficult. Just because you can use a calculator, doesn't mean that's the best way to learn. Likewise for using LLMs to program.
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djmips ◴[10 Apr 25 07:27 UTC] No.43641546[source]▶
I have no anecdata to counter your thesis. I do agree that immersion in the doing of a thing is the best way to learn. I am not fully convinced that doing a lot of arithmetic hand calculation precludes learning the science of patterns that is mathematics. They should still be doing something mathematical but why not go right into using a calculator. I have no experience as an educator and I bet it's hard to get good data on this topic of debate. I could be very wrong.
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1. suddenlybananas ◴[10 Apr 25 08:29 UTC] No.43641914[source]▶
There's a wealth of research on how children learn to do math, and one of the most crucial things is having experiences manipulating numbers directly. Children don't understand how the symbols we use map to different numbers and the operations themselves take time to learn. If you just have them use a black-box to generate answers, they won't understand how the underlying procedures conceptually work and so they'll be super limited in their mathematical ability later on.