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zebomon ◴[] No.43634458[source]
The writing is irrelevant. Who cares if students don't learn how to do it? Or if the magazines are all mostly generated a decade from now? All of that labor spent on writing wasn't really making economic sense.

The problem with that take is this: it was never about the act of writing. What we lose, if we cut humans out of the equation, is writing as a proxy for what actually matters, which is thinking.

You'll soon notice the downsides of not-thinking (at scale!) if you have a generation of students who weren't taught to exercise their thinking by writing.

I hope that more people come around to this way of seeing things. It seems like a problem that will be much easier to mitigate than to fix after the fact.

A little self-promo: I'm building a tool to help students and writers create proof that they have written something the good ol fashioned way. Check it out at https://itypedmypaper.com and let me know what you think!

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1. spongebobstoes ◴[] No.43634700[source]
Writing is not necessary for thinking. You can learn to think without writing. I've never had a brilliant thought while writing.

In fact, I've done a lot more thinking and had a lot more insights from talking than from writing.

Writing can be a useful tool to help with rigorous thinking. In my opinion, is mostly about augmenting the author's effective memory to be larger and more precise.

I'm sure the same effect could be achieved by having AI transcribe a conversation.

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2. Unearned5161 ◴[] No.43635829[source]
I'm not settled on transcribed conversation being an adequate substitute for writing, but maybe it's better than nothing.

There's something irreplaceable about the absoluteness of words on paper and the decisions one has to do to write them out. Conversational speak is, almost by definition, more relaxed and casual. The bar is lower and as such, the bar for thoughts is lower, in order of ease of handwaving I think it goes: mental, speech, writing.

Furthermore there's the concept of editing which I'm unsure how it could be carried out in a conversational sense in graceful manner. Being able to revise words, delete, move around, can't be done with conversation unless you count "forget I said that, it's actually more like this..." as suitable.