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rayiner ◴[] No.43632822[source]
Americans need to get over their view of “Asia” as being about making shoes. When I was working in engineering in the early aughts, we mocked the Chinese as being able only to copy American technology. Today, China is competitive with or ahead of America in key technology areas, including nuclear power, AI, EVs, and batteries.

We need to anticipate a future where China is equal to America on a per capita basis, but four times bigger. Is that a world where “Designed by Apple in California, Made in China” still makes sense? What will be America’s competitive edge in that scenario?

What seems most likely to me in the future is that the US will find itself in the same position the UK is in now. Dominating finance and services won’t mean anything when both the IP and the physical products are being produced somewhere else.

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edm0nd[dead post] ◴[] No.43633740[source]
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lossolo ◴[] No.43634010[source]
> Yeah, it's real easy when you employ an army of nation-state hackers to break into and steal R&D and tech from US Fortune 500 and aerospace companies to then use it internally and give to private industry in China.

All of this is old, tired news. They're leading in many areas now, so at least in the fields where they lead and innovate, they couldn’t have "stolen" anything.

If you would like to get more up to date:

1. "China has become a scientific superpower"

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/06/12/...

2. "China Is Rapidly Becoming a Leading Innovator in Advanced Industries"

https://itif.org/publications/2024/09/16/china-is-rapidly-be...

3. "How Innovative Is China in Nuclear Power?"

https://itif.org/publications/2024/06/17/how-innovative-is-c...

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1. edm0nd ◴[] No.43634638[source]
Imagine that, Chinese hackers breaking into energy companies and stealing blueprints to nuclear power plants (2014).

https://money.cnn.com/2014/05/19/technology/security/china-h...

>The kind of spying China is accused of can yield valuable information and give the country's businesses a much-needed boost. Westinghouse spent a significant amount of money designing the special pipes that are the defining feature of its AP1000 pressurized water reactor. Stealing those plans means that a Chinese nuclear plant builder might be able to skip costly research and development.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_Unite...

>In 2016, the U.S. Justice Department charged China General Nuclear Power Group (CGN) with stealing nuclear secrets from the United States.[36][37] The Guardian reported: "According to the US Department of Justice, the FBI has discovered evidence that China General Nuclear Power (CGN) has been engaged in a conspiracy to steal US nuclear secrets stretching back almost two decades. Both CGN and one of the corporation’s senior advisers, Szuhsiung Ho, have been charged with conspiring to help the Chinese government develop nuclear material in a manner that is in clear breach of US law."[38]

Just two instances of many.

They play the long con and have pretty much stolen from every industry to further their own.

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2. jyounker ◴[] No.43635005[source]
Do you really think that the US doesn't engage in industrial espionage too?
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3. elcritch ◴[] No.43635392[source]
Certainly it does, but not nearly to the same degree (anymore).