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afarah1 ◴[] No.43620640[source]
WhatsApp is omnipresent for communication in Brazil, and WhatsApp Pay was ready before Pix, but the government blocked the launch to launch Pix first.[1] I rarely see this mentioned.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/technology/brazil-suspends-w...

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jowea ◴[] No.43620718[source]
Well I'm thanking the government for saving us from yet another Facebook monopoly thorough first mover advantage and network effects.
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carlosjobim ◴[] No.43621843[source]
Good to hear your words loyalty and patriotism, dear citizen! I will contact your local commissar and make sure he increases your social credit score by 5 points.

But we must also be realistic if we want to win against our eternal enemy Eastasia, and admit that Facebook coin would never be a monopoly because Visa, Mastercard and cash exist.

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jowea ◴[] No.43622377[source]
Thanks, maybe someday I will finally be promoted to Internet Shill First Class.

But seriously, it would still be a monopoly on the UPI-like segment. Visa and Mastercard charge fees that make them less attractive to some users and make it harder on some users. There are good reasons Pix replaced much of physical cash use that cards didn't. And Visa and Mastercard are also American companies. Don't they sell transaction data?

And meh, at least I can vote for my president, but not even the Facebook shareholders can vote Zuckerberg out IIRC. Although Zuck can't arrest me so I don't know.

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1. carlosjobim ◴[] No.43625666{3}[source]
Visa and Mastercard are agents for the customer, who benefits greatly from instant and convenient transactions, fraud protection, currency conversion, and credit lines. The merchant pays them for access to these customers, and I have to say that the fees are small for what an amazing service these networks provide. I don't think neither their fees nor their profits are outrageous.

While Pix is a very impressive system, they offer no benefit to the customer over credit/debit cards. Only benefits to the merchants. For inter-personal transactions it is great, and for micro businesses. But as soon as your business grows beyond that, you will want to accept card payments.

If Visa and Mastercard sell transaction data, can you point me to where I can purchase this data? Everybody is saying this is the case, but forgive me for having doubts. Is this what you are talking about? https://usa.visa.com/solutions/visa-commercial-data-solution...

From what I understand, they are selling data in the aggregate, not individual transactions.