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UK Effort to Keep Apple Encryption Fight Secret Is Blocked

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170 points flanked-evergl | 1 comments | 08 Apr 25 07:46 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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HPsquared ◴[08 Apr 25 09:33 UTC] No.43619828[source]▶
We've fallen quite far from the tradition of policing by consent as developed by Sir Robert Peel:

- Whether the police are effective is not measured on the number of arrests, but on the lack of crime.

- An effective authority figure knows trust and accountability are paramount. Hence, "The police are the public and the public are the police."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles

Edit: another choice quote from that article, from the Home Office itself in 2012:

"The Home Office defined the legitimacy of policing, in the eyes of the public, as based upon a general consensus of support that follows from transparency about their powers, their integrity in exercising those powers and their accountability for doing so."

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p0w3n3d ◴[08 Apr 25 10:06 UTC] No.43619989[source]▶
The problem is the people nowadays can be easily convinced that everything should be accessible, because

Ekhm

They have nothing to hide and...

Ekhm

They will be more safe

Thus the arguments about fighting terrorism and paedophilia...

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johnisgood ◴[08 Apr 25 10:11 UTC] No.43620008[source]▶
And in reality it has nothing to do with terrorism, nor paedophilia.
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dkdbejwi383 ◴[08 Apr 25 10:21 UTC] No.43620063[source]▶
What does it have to do with in reality?
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Gud ◴[08 Apr 25 10:22 UTC] No.43620069[source]▶
Obedient workers.
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dkdbejwi383 ◴[08 Apr 25 10:36 UTC] No.43620142[source]▶
Can you expand on that? I don’t follow, sorry
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bayindirh ◴[08 Apr 25 10:59 UTC] No.43620274[source]▶
When you're frightened and live in a glass house, you stay silent and obedient to prevent any stones from inadvertently hitting your house.

Since it's transparent, you can't do anything which others don't like anyway, and if you even manage, you'll be taken away silently.

IOW, read 1984 and Brave New World and create a synthesis of it.

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p0w3n3d ◴[08 Apr 25 12:02 UTC] No.43620690[source]▶
I mean I am not against the investigations at all. Also I believe that in such cases (terrorism) better way of extracting the secret key is sourcing it from the suspect him(or her)self.

I.e. https://xkcd.com/538/

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bayindirh ◴[08 Apr 25 12:04 UTC] No.43620715{4}[source]▶
We're on the same page. As one step further, I don't support "advanced interrogation techniques".
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1. p0w3n3d ◴[08 Apr 25 15:53 UTC] No.43623205{5}[source]▶
I do neither, however what I wanted to highlight (in this black humour way) that the burden of de-encrypting lies on the police/govt. Also opening some encryption on ever person's device just because some government wants to check a few people is stupid. First of all: today it's let's say "good government" and tomorrow it'll be the "bad government", and secondly it can be used to fight the opposition (non-democratic behaviour)