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Brazil's government-run payments system has become dominant

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666 points jcartw | 2 comments | 08 Apr 25 10:59 UTC | HN request time: 0.977s | source
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nirui ◴[08 Apr 25 13:55 UTC] No.43621834[source]▶
I'm thinking, maybe controversially, centralized national payment service like this should be government-run based on my experience with Alipay which is a digital payment service in China.

Due to it's commercial origin, Alipay is filled with unwanted ads and traps. Almost every time I made a payment with it, a pop up prompts me to enlist their Ant Financial LOAN service either now, or being prompted for the same question again 30 days later (yep, not Yes or No, but Now or Later). It's just fucking ridiculous, I don't need a LOAN for a $400 projector, and I don't need a LOAN for a $4 hair cut (Xi should probably do something about it, really).

I'm glad that at least people of Brazil don't have to suffer that kind of shit. At least their government-run program is better scrutinized and boring, thus more dependable, that's a good thing in my eyes.

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1. whimsicalism ◴[08 Apr 25 15:08 UTC] No.43622667[source]▶
payment services should absolutely have a public option, as should many other basic eservices like email, mychart, etc. the issue is that our government in particular is incompetent, has legal difficulty hiring for merit, and has public sector unions (which is effectively empowering people to negotiate against the collective democratic will of the people).

i’ve worked on internet projects with the feds before, basically the current iteration of the federal government does not really seem capable of doing these things because of how the rank-and-file is structured.

i think it would also be important to make sure that control over payment isn’t abused. i recall when donations to wikileaks were effectively blocked by public/private coordination. presumably that would be even easier if it just required public action.

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2. timewizard ◴[08 Apr 25 17:44 UTC] No.43624470[source]▶
> the issue is that our government in particular is incompetent

Our federal government is huge and our state governments are small. Precisely the opposite of how the founders configured it. This is part of the problem.

The states need to band together and develop a cooperative solution and then push it upwards to the federal level.

This is a lot easier than centralized planning and management of an entity the size and scope of the US. We have a lot of offshore territories and two states. This complicates things more than people care to admit.