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HPsquared ◴[] No.43619828[source]
We've fallen quite far from the tradition of policing by consent as developed by Sir Robert Peel:

- Whether the police are effective is not measured on the number of arrests, but on the lack of crime.

- An effective authority figure knows trust and accountability are paramount. Hence, "The police are the public and the public are the police."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles

Edit: another choice quote from that article, from the Home Office itself in 2012:

"The Home Office defined the legitimacy of policing, in the eyes of the public, as based upon a general consensus of support that follows from transparency about their powers, their integrity in exercising those powers and their accountability for doing so."

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p0w3n3d ◴[] No.43619989[source]
The problem is the people nowadays can be easily convinced that everything should be accessible, because

Ekhm

They have nothing to hide and...

Ekhm

They will be more safe

Thus the arguments about fighting terrorism and paedophilia...

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johnisgood ◴[] No.43620008[source]
And in reality it has nothing to do with terrorism, nor paedophilia.
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dkdbejwi383 ◴[] No.43620063[source]
What does it have to do with in reality?
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Gud ◴[] No.43620069[source]
Obedient workers.
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dkdbejwi383 ◴[] No.43620142[source]
Can you expand on that? I don’t follow, sorry
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bayindirh ◴[] No.43620274[source]
When you're frightened and live in a glass house, you stay silent and obedient to prevent any stones from inadvertently hitting your house.

Since it's transparent, you can't do anything which others don't like anyway, and if you even manage, you'll be taken away silently.

IOW, read 1984 and Brave New World and create a synthesis of it.

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dkdbejwi383 ◴[] No.43620959{3}[source]
I guess I am too dumb to understand. The argument that if you don’t have anything to hide makes more sense to me than nefarious secret spies are going to read your shopping list. I just don’t see what all the paranoia is about. I realise this is an unfashionable opinion to have on HN, and I’m not looking to debate or change anyone’s mind, but to understand with a substantive argument rather than one sentence replies.
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