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amiga386 ◴[] No.43619870[source]
Users want their secrets to be secret.

Apple wants its users' secrets to be secret.

The UK wants the fact it wants Apple to reveal anyone's secrets to be secret.

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HPsquared ◴[] No.43619903[source]
There must be a healthy middle ground between mass untouchable criminal communication networks on the one hand, and full panopticon 24x7 for every civilian on the other. Or I don't know, maybe there isn't. But at least the debate should be public.
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1. cedws ◴[] No.43620940[source]
If all of this surveillance made the UK a safe place maybe you could argue it’s worth it. But it doesn’t. Phones are getting snatched, you’ll never see it again. Cars are being stolen in broad daylight. Burglars are getting months in jail. It’s pointless filing a police report for any reason other than for your insurance.

I live in Japan at the moment and the difference is night and day. There are unattended shops here. People feel comfortable leaving their belongings in public. It feels like a massive weight off my shoulders not having to worry and watch constantly.