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170 points flanked-evergl | 2 comments | 08 Apr 25 07:46 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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HPsquared ◴[08 Apr 25 09:33 UTC] No.43619828[source]▶
We've fallen quite far from the tradition of policing by consent as developed by Sir Robert Peel:

- Whether the police are effective is not measured on the number of arrests, but on the lack of crime.

- An effective authority figure knows trust and accountability are paramount. Hence, "The police are the public and the public are the police."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles

Edit: another choice quote from that article, from the Home Office itself in 2012:

"The Home Office defined the legitimacy of policing, in the eyes of the public, as based upon a general consensus of support that follows from transparency about their powers, their integrity in exercising those powers and their accountability for doing so."

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deepsun ◴[08 Apr 25 10:57 UTC] No.43620263[source]▶
How to measure "lack of crime" if depends mostly on people responsibility than policing? You cannot put a policeman watching everyone and themselves.

E.g. I believe Oaxaca must have lower crime rates than Tampico simply because one is convenient drug port and other is not, not because better police.

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1. mschuster91 ◴[08 Apr 25 12:24 UTC] No.43620881[source]▶
> How to measure "lack of crime" if depends mostly on people responsibility than policing?

The thing is, a holistic approach to policing is key, and it's not just about putting bobbies on the street, it's far far FAR more what's needed to create a healthy society.

You need a social safety net for the unemployed, decent housing to prevent homelessness and its associated side effects (such as people taking dumps on the sidewalk), an accessible and affordable system of physical and mental health care, accessible options for education (not just of children but also for adults who need to switch careers for whatever reason), assistance programs for released convicts to find stable employment and a place to live, "third places" for the needs of all generations from young to old...

Police as an institution is absolutely needed, but in a healthy society it should be a matter of last resort, not a routine tool that kills or otherwise hurts people. When you as a government have to resort to hiring ever more (and ever more dumb, because the supply of smart people is limited) police to keep the peace, something has gone very wrong at the foundations of the stack that we call society.

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2. deepsun ◴[09 Apr 25 16:29 UTC] No.43633980[source]▶
Yes, that's exactly what I think: it's hard to measure police effectiveness when it's just a piece of the puzzle.