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amiga386 ◴[] No.43619870[source]
Users want their secrets to be secret.

Apple wants its users' secrets to be secret.

The UK wants the fact it wants Apple to reveal anyone's secrets to be secret.

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HPsquared ◴[] No.43619903[source]
There must be a healthy middle ground between mass untouchable criminal communication networks on the one hand, and full panopticon 24x7 for every civilian on the other. Or I don't know, maybe there isn't. But at least the debate should be public.
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like_any_other ◴[] No.43620059[source]
> untouchable

Surveillance of even just one participant in these communication networks will give the police access to everything they see. And technology massively helps police in this surveillance - hidden microphones (or a laser reading vibrations off a window), cameras, and telescopic lenses and drones can reveal the contents of a screen, the password being typed, every word said out loud. The device can even be fitted with a hardware backdoor, or sabotaged, and its replacement intercepted and backdoored, as the NSA did.

But it can't be done en-masse, against every citizen.

That mere encryption makes communication immune from surveillance, or that there is anything remotely approaching the "going dark" problem, is a naked lie by the surveillance state to scare us into giving away even the tiny scraps of privacy we have left. The truth is law enforcement has far greater abilities to surveil even people trying to hide (to say nothing of the data they get from people sharing their thoughts and social networks on Facebook, or carrying phones with them that let the phone company triangulate them at any moment) than at any point in history. In light of that, we should be talking about further limiting their authority, not increasing it.

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1. ben_w ◴[] No.43620266[source]
> But it can't be done en-masse, against every citizen.

Why not, the parts aren't particularly expensive?

Unless the MTBF is really short, like "single digit months", I recon London's Metropolitan Police could have every window in the city under laser microphone for less than their annual budget.

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2. thfuran ◴[] No.43620553[source]
They clearly meant should/must not.