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axegon_ ◴[08 Apr 25 10:32 UTC] No.43620121[source]▶

>>43619581 (OP) #

> Updates that users would not expect to see on a refresh (or a new page load)

I always hated this idea. As a user, a refresh indicates that something is happening and it's abundantly clear when something is wrong. People don't always handle errors and in all fairness they shouldn't - a developer has no way of knowing what custom stuff I have on my browser, whether I'm using any blockers or pi-holes or whatever and they should not know. Simple navigation, refreshes and server side rendering is something which worked great, the web was fast and could run on anything with a graphical output. These days a single page eats up 150+ mb while it loads. All that so the page doesn't "refresh".

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1. sgt ◴[08 Apr 25 10:50 UTC] No.43620225[source]▶

>>43620121 #

It's not that smooth looking if a refresh takes 500 milliseconds. Then it flickers.

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2. foobahify ◴[08 Apr 25 11:08 UTC] No.43620323[source]▶

>>43620225 (TP) #

500ms means a slow connection, high latency or significant bloat.

Optimising the page and using a CDN can help alot.

It is a shame HTML doesn't have rel="swap" in links to "swap" in a new page.

3. axegon_ ◴[08 Apr 25 11:57 UTC] No.43620644[source]▶

>>43620225 (TP) #

Oh yeah a 15 second spinning circle and 250mb memory is sooooo much better than a 500ms refresh </sarcasm>

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4. mattgreenrocks ◴[08 Apr 25 12:19 UTC] No.43620837[source]▶

>>43620225 (TP) #

If the layout hasn’t changed, then there is no flicker that I can tell on Chrome/FF at 144hz.

5. sgt ◴[08 Apr 25 12:20 UTC] No.43620849[source]▶

>>43620644 #

I don't disagree with you :)

6. earthnail ◴[08 Apr 25 16:41 UTC] No.43623738[source]▶

>>43620644 #

A 2s spinning circle may indeed be better than a 500ms flashing reload. Try it on your mom (“waaah why did it flash??”).

I also dislike SPAs but there is business value in this slow spinner that you shouldn’t discount.

Luckily, turbo or htmx solve this just as well. And maybe even more importantly, I can’t think of a modern browser that still flickers.

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