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jqpabc123 ◴[] No.43608411[source]
Is there some benefit here for Trump voters?

I don't see it.

But then again, I don't see how a trade war against the world is going to "Make America Great Again" either. It is much more likely to do the opposite.

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avidiax ◴[] No.43608505[source]
Yeah. Daddy is cancelling all that unnecessary and expensive insurance so you can have a higher allowance. Why were we paying for that anyway?

Also, all those so-called "experts" with their agendas are out on their asses where they belong! The private market is sufficiently incentivized to keep their workers healthy and develop treatments for whatever ails them.

Besides, we all know that if you just live a proper, completely monogamous lifestyle, you can't get an STD. Why should Trump voters pay for those that fall ill to their own sexual deviance?

Take your pick from these (and likely more) lines of reason.

Whether this will actually benefit Trump voters is an exercise left to them, but so far they seem to think it will.

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1. goku12 ◴[] No.43609273[source]
I just read a story about a young Trump voter who died a gruesome death because she wasn't allowed to have her foetus aborted/evacuated after it died naturally inside her and started rotting. She was waiting eagerly for her baby and had even named her. So much for 'pro-life'!

Meanwhile, the private companies are so incentivized to protect their workers' health that even employed people are dying of diabetes because they still can't afford insulin - something unthinkable in other countries! Insulin injections are so old and cheap to manufacter at this point. Did you forgot to mention that the employees must also be rich? And what about jobless or homeless people?

Meanwhile, about 68K people die annually of preventable diseases because their insurance claims on essential treatment get turned down by insurance companies against their doctors' determination. And that isn't charity money - it's what they paid the premiums for. How many of those thousands will be saved if you cut STD treatments, contraceptives and abortions nationwide?

There are less developed and more conservative countries in the world who know better. I don't understand how such obviously dangerous decisions can be spun as benefits for the masses!

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2. avidiax ◴[] No.43613495[source]
There's a mentality that isn't uniquely American, but definitely permeates the culture, and it explains why people would support something like this against their own interests. It has facets with some combination of:

* Rugged individualism: I stand on my own as an upright citizen made morally righteous by my (or my ancestor's) contributions. I have never needed nor would have accepted welfare (and all the welfare I actually did accept was not actually welfare and was mine by right).

* Moral indignation: there are freeloaders, scammers and grifters everywhere that are unfairly dependent on the welfare state. There's little agreement on who these freeloaders are, other than it's not the wealthy or powerful or people like themselves.

* Religiosity: America was founded as a Christian country and should return to its roots. Often, all the bad things happening in America are God's punishment, the work of the devil, or the natural consequence of wickedness and deviance.

* Anti-intellectualism: Book learning and higher education are just a program of radicalization to promote moral relativism and unjust authority of "elites", and a "culture war". Moreover, all the intellectuals/elites are equally suspect, even those that claim to be helping everyone by advocating for environmentalism, cures and prevention of disease, sound economic policy, social advocacy, etc.

* A desire for positional authority, both above them and for themselves: A sense that people that are rich or powerful are rightfully so. The pastor of your church is the positional moral authority. Your boss is the positional fiscal authority. The police are the criminal authority. The supreme court is the positional judicial authority. The president is the positional executive authority. A father has positional authority over his children. And (unstated), "real Americans" have positional authority over marginalized groups. Any sense that the authority must be earned, maintained or justified is rejected.

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3. goku12 ◴[] No.43622200[source]
Those arguments are so vague, subjective and often just irrelevant that it doesn't merit any place in a decision that inflicts such serious damage on people who don't share those beliefs. All it tells me is how some people justify such moral ineptitude. They seem to think that their personal beliefs are divine and unquestionable enough to be imposed on everyone else. Definitely not what one would call freedom.