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InkCanon ◴[] No.43604503[source]
The biggest story in AI was released a few weeks ago but was given little attention: on the recent USAMO, SOTA models scored on average 5% (IIRC, it was some abysmal number). This is despite them supposedly having gotten 50%, 60% etc performance on IMO questions. This massively suggests AI models simply remember the past results, instead of actually solving these questions. I'm incredibly surprised no one mentions this, but it's ridiculous that these companies never tell us what (if any) efforts have been made to remove test data (IMO, ICPC, etc) from train data.
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usaar333 ◴[] No.43605147[source]
And then within a week, Gemini 2.5 was tested and got 25%. Point is AI is getting stronger.

And this only suggested LLMs aren't trained well to write formal math proofs, which is true.

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selcuka ◴[] No.43607028[source]
> within a week

How do we know that Gemini 2.5 wasn't specifically trained or fine-tuned with the new questions? I don't buy that a new model could suddenly score 5 times better than the previous state-of-the-art models.

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levocardia ◴[] No.43607092[source]
They retrained their model less than a week before its release, just to juice one particular nonstandard eval? Seems implausible. Models get 5x better at things all the time. Challenges like the Winograd schema have gone from impossible to laughably easy practically overnight. Ditto for "Rs in strawberry," ferrying animals across a river, overflowing wine glass, ...
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AIPedant ◴[] No.43607320[source]
The "ferrying animals across a river" problem has definitely not been solved, they still don't understand the problem at all, overcomplicating it because they're using an off-the-shelf solution instead of actual reasoning:

o1 screwing up a trivially easy variation: https://xcancel.com/colin_fraser/status/1864787124320387202

Claude 3.7, utterly incoherent: https://xcancel.com/colin_fraser/status/1898158943962271876

DeepSeek: https://xcancel.com/colin_fraser/status/1882510886163943443#...

Overflowing wine glass also isn't meaningfully solved! I understand it is sort of solved for wine glasses (even though it looks terrible and unphysical, always seems to have weird fizz). But asking GPT to "generate an image of a transparent vase with flowers which has been overfilled with water, so that water is spilling over" had the exact same problem as the old wine glasses: the vase was clearly half-full, yet water was mysteriously trickling over the sides. Presumably OpenAI RLHFed wine glasses since it was a well-known failure, but (as always) this is just whack-a-mole, it does not generalize into understanding the physical principle.

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leonidasv ◴[] No.43607773[source]
Gemini 2.5 Pro got the farmer problem variation right: https://aistudio.google.com/app/prompts?state=%7B%22ids%22:%...
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1. greenmartian ◴[] No.43608001[source]
When told, "only room for one person OR one animal", it's also the only one to recognise the fact that the puzzle is impossible to solve. The farmer can't take any animals with them, and neither the goat nor wolf could row the boat.
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2. yyy3ww2 ◴[] No.43609226[source]
> When told, "only room for one person OR one animal"

In common terms suppose I say: there is only room for one person or one animal in my car to go home, one can suppose that it is referring to additional room besides that occupied by the driver. There is a problem when we try to use LLM trained in common use of language to solve puzzle in formal logic or math. I think the current LLMs are not able to have a specialized context to become a logical reasoning agent, but perhaps such thing could be possible if the evaluation function of the LLM was designed to give high credit to changing context with a phrase or token.