←back to thread

579 points paulpauper | 1 comments | | HN request time: 0.208s | source
Show context
aerhardt ◴[] No.43604214[source]
My mom told me yesterday that Paul Newman had massive problems with alcohol. I was somewhat skeptical, so this morning I asked ChatGPT a very simple question:

"Is Paul Newman known for having had problems with alcohol?"

All of the models up to o3-mini-high told me he had no known problems. Here's o3-mini-high's response:

"Paul Newman is not widely known for having had problems with alcohol. While he portrayed characters who sometimes dealt with personal struggles on screen, his personal life and public image were more focused on his celebrated acting career, philanthropic work, and passion for auto racing rather than any issues with alcohol. There is no substantial or widely reported evidence in reputable biographies or interviews that indicates he struggled with alcohol abuse."

There is plenty of evidence online that he struggled a lot with alcohol, including testimony from his long-time wife Joanne Woodward.

I sent my mom the ChatGPT reply and in five minutes she found an authoritative source to back her argument [1].

I use ChatGPT for many tasks every day, but I couldn't fathom that it would get so wrong something so simple.

Lesson(s) learned... Including not doubting my mother's movie trivia knowledge.

[1] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/10/24/who-paul-newma...

replies(27): >>43604240 #>>43604254 #>>43604266 #>>43604352 #>>43604411 #>>43604434 #>>43604445 #>>43604447 #>>43604474 #>>43605109 #>>43605148 #>>43605609 #>>43605734 #>>43605773 #>>43605938 #>>43605941 #>>43606141 #>>43606176 #>>43606197 #>>43606455 #>>43606465 #>>43606551 #>>43606632 #>>43606774 #>>43606870 #>>43606938 #>>43607090 #
adamiscool8 ◴[] No.43606465[source]
I don't think this reflects a flaw in LLM's at all. It is true that Paul Newman is not "known for" having alcohol problems. Paul Newman is known for acting, and salad dressing. Paul Newman has been "known to" have had alcohol problems, which formed as a question correctly one-shots accurate results for me across a few common LLMs. Someone like Betty Ford could be "known for" having alcohol problems. Paul Newman's alcohol problems are relatively specialized knowledge.
replies(2): >>43606505 #>>43606548 #
1. moregrist ◴[] No.43606548[source]
And yet the New Yorker article was the first thing that my Google search for “Paul Newman alcoholism” returned.

Apparently it isn’t so specialized that a pretty obvious old fashioned web search on Google wouldn’t immediately return an authoritative source.