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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.43603727[source]
Baiting Musk into some 3AM rage tweets might be a smart move. It would subtly align the anti-Musk forces among Democrats and within the GOP with Europe.
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1. joakleaf ◴[] No.43603822[source]
Musk is already (frequently) raging against EU — the topics include freedom of speech and immigration… and calling the foreign minister of Poland “a little man”.

There is a reason the Tesla brand is suffering in Europe.

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2. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.43603855[source]
> Musk is already (frequently) raging against EU

My point is turning up the temperature of his comments is to Brussels’ benefit.

3. rvnx ◴[] No.43603919[source]
and he also wants the US to withdraw from NATO, which means directly and concretely increasing the risk of war in Europe. Unpopular measure in Europe obviously.
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4. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.43603939[source]
> he also wants the US to withdraw from NATO, which means directly and concretely increasing the risk of war in Europe

He’s Molotov-Ribentropping Europe with his overtures to Moscow and demands for mineral rights.

5. arandomusername ◴[] No.43604349[source]
> and calling the foreign minister of Poland “a little man”.

Just for context, which I think is important here: The foreign minister said Poland is paying for Starlink for Ukraine ($50m/year) and that they will be forced to look at other suppliers if they prove to be unreliable.

Elon responded back claiming that $50m is a small fraction of the cost, there's no substitute and said "Be quiet, little man".

> the topics include freedom of speech and immigration

Most of EU citizens are pro freedom of speech and anti immigration btw.

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6. hagbard_c ◴[] No.43605004[source]
> Most of EU citizens are pro freedom of speech and anti immigration btw.

Yes, this is clearly true. It also is clearly true that many if not most of EU political parties see freedom of speech as an obstacle and for some unclear reason are reticent to act on their (potential) voter's mandate to radically limit immigration, especially 'culturally incompatible' immigration. They still seem to consider being 'called racist' a threat even though the term 'racist' has lost most of its meaning - when everyone and his dog is a racist it is hardly surprising to be called one.

The EU has a long way to go before it can be considered a paragon of democracy. The commission is not democratically elected, the parliament is but has only limited power. To me - living in Sweden, being a Dutch native - the EU looks like the result of a metastasised bureaucratic infection of the former EEC (the European Economic Community) and I'd much prefer for the moloch of Brussels to be brought to heel and reduced to its former size and glory. That means a much smaller size and a larger glory since a group of countries which voluntarily cooperate economically while retaining their sovereignty is a better model than the current one which mostly seems to be designed to provide hooks for lobbyists and opportunities for grift while providing endless cushy 'jobs' for those who are willing to swallow their integrity.