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necubi ◴[] No.43576821[source]
Oh hey, Wesleyan on HN! I’m an alumnus (matriculated a year or two after Roth became president). Wesleyan has a rich history of activism and protest, and not always entirely peaceful (Roth’s predecessor, Doug Bennet, had his office firebombed at one point).

I’ve had a few opportunities to speak with Roth since the Gaza war started, and I’ve always found him particularly thoughtful about balancing freedom of expression with a need to provide a safe and open learning environment for everyone on campus. In particular, he never gave in to the unlimited demands of protestors while still defending their right to protest.

In part, he had the moral weight to do that because—unlike many university presidents—he did not give in to the illiberal demands of the left to chill speech post-2020, which then were turned against the left over the past year.

I don’t see any particularly good outcome from any of this; the risk of damaging the incredibly successful American university system is high. Certainly smart foreign students who long dreamed of studying in the US will be having second thoughts if they can be arbitrarily and indefinitely detained.

But I hope the universities that do make it through do with a stronger commitment to the (small l) liberal values of freedom of expression , academic freedom, and intellectual diversity.

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kevingadd[dead post] ◴[] No.43578928[source]
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throw10920 ◴[] No.43581814[source]
> while the present behavior of the illiberal right is abductions and overseas slave camps

Can you provide examples of people getting abducted and sent to "overseas slave camps" purely for their speech?

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jquery ◴[] No.43582028[source]
Took me all of 5 seconds to find an example. Tattoos are a form of protected speech: https://archive.is/2025.04.03-041258/https://www.theatlantic...
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Bluescreenbuddy ◴[] No.43583368[source]
You have no intention of having a discussion in good faith. You're going to use whatbaoutisms, pedantry, and goalpost moving. Kindly stfu
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1. throw10920 ◴[] No.43589132[source]
No, I don't think I will. I enjoy exposing lies like "while the present behavior of the illiberal right is abductions and overseas slave camps" by pointing out that 2 out of 346 million is simply not that at all. I also enjoy pointing out lies like this:

> whatbaoutisms, pedantry, and goalpost moving

All three of these things are false. You know very well that 2 instances out of 346 million is none of those things. I don't know what to call this other than malice, because it's extremely clear to anyone with basic reading skills that the two data points provided do in no way support the claim "the present behavior of the illiberal right is abductions and overseas slave camps".