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1. resource_waste ◴[] No.43581681[source]
"Right is only a question among equals, for the strong do what they can, and the weak suffer as they must."

We shouldnt expect companies to be Moral. We shouldn't expect the government to be Just. The sooner we realize how politics actually work, the smarter we can make personal decisions that comply with realities.

There is no reason to waste time and effort. The only people who can topple Apple are going to be major players, not the multitude.

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2. cowpig ◴[] No.43581790[source]
Couldn't disagree more. Our expectations tend to become self-fulfilling prophecies. Expect amoral companies and you get amoral companies. Expect an unjust government and you get an unjust government.
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3. RajT88 ◴[] No.43581807[source]
Completely agree. The past 15 years or so have really opened my eyes to how power really works.

The powerful are incentivized to use that power for their own benefit. Those without power do not even get to have a light shone on their poor treatment.

4. hx8 ◴[] No.43581813[source]
I wish more people took away the lesson of limiting their reliance on those with much more power because it leads to one sided relationships. However it seems like we are moving towards consolidation of power instead of towards inter-reliance of equals.
5. 9283409232 ◴[] No.43581860[source]
I don't agree. Government is not just and that is reality but we should hold them to a high standard.
6. bigyabai ◴[] No.43581865[source]
> Our expectations tend to become self-fulfilling prophecies.

Separating an expected outcome from the factual evidence and artifacts of a situation is arguably why the justice system exists at all.

Politics isn't Byrne's The Secret, you can't materialize good leadership by ignoring every issue and praying to a higher power.

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7. yxwvut ◴[] No.43582018{3}[source]
He’s right though - indifference to corruption or malfeasance begets corruption and malfeasance. Holding your government and companies to a higher standard of behavior is both possible and necessary for a functional, durable nation. Sure, you can enforce corporate morality via regulation or governmental morality via the courts or ethics committees, but that completely ignores the concept of soft power. Laws can be broken faster than they can be enforced.
8. paulryanrogers ◴[] No.43582022{3}[source]
> you can't materialize good leadership by ignoring every issue and praying to a higher power.

Indeed. We must be vigilant to acquire and maintain our freedoms and good governance. People suffered and some died to build the parts worth saving now. Apathy isn't going to fix anything.

9. actionfromafar ◴[] No.43582076[source]
Exactly. It's like saying culture and trust cannot exist and have never existed. And that anyone who believes otherwise is just a sucker. If you want to really see a low trust society, behold Russia.
10. jmull ◴[] No.43583417[source]
> The only people who can topple Apple

I've got some tough news for you: Apple isn't anywhere near the main problem here.