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necovek ◴[] No.43575664[source]
The premise might possibly be true, but as an actually seasoned Python developer, I've taken a look at one file: https://github.com/dx-tooling/platform-problem-monitoring-co...

All of it smells of a (lousy) junior software engineer: from configuring root logger at the top, module level (which relies on module import caching not to be reapplied), over not using a stdlib config file parser and building one themselves, to a raciness in load_json where it's checked for file existence with an if and then carrying on as if the file is certainly there...

In a nutshell, if the rest of it is like this, it simply sucks.

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milicat ◴[] No.43575953[source]
The more I browse through this, the more I agree. I feel like one could delete almost all comments from that project without losing any information – which means, at least the variable naming is (probably?) sensible. Then again, I don't know the application domain.

Also…

  def _save_current_date_time(current_date_time_file: str, current_date_time: str) -> None:
    with Path(current_date_time_file).open("w") as f:
      f.write(current_date_time)
there is a lot of obviously useful abstraction being missed, wasting lines of code that will all need to be maintained.

The scary thing is: I have seen professional human developers write worse code.

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ramesh31 ◴[] No.43576009[source]
>The scary thing is: I have seen professional human developers write worse code.

This is kind of the rub of it all. If the code works, passes all relevant tests, is reasonably maintainable, and can be fitted into the system correctly with a well defined interface, does it really matter? I mean at that point its kind of like looking at the output of a bytecode compiler and being like "wow what a mess". And it's not like they can't write code up to your stylistic standards, it's just literally a matter of prompting for that.

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1. necovek ◴[] No.43578279[source]
I think this code is at least twice the size than it needs to be compared to nicer, manually produced Python code: a lot of it is really superfluous.

People have different definitions of "reasonably maintainable", but if code has extra stuff that provides no value, it always perplexes the reader (what is the point of this? what am I missing?), and increases cognitive load significantly.

But if AI coding tools were advertised as "get 10x the output of your least capable teammate", would they really go anywhere?

I love doing code reviews as an opportunity to teach people. Doing this one would suck.