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breadwinner ◴[] No.43576119[source]
Microsoft got its start by Bill Gates doing some dumpster diving. Back then software wasn't seen as valuable thing, only hardware was. Source code wasn't something to be protected, so printouts of code would be thrown in trash. And that's where Bill Gates found the source code for Basic interpreter, which he ported and it became the first Microsoft product.

https://americanhistory.si.edu/comphist/gates.htm

https://paulallen.com/Futurist/Microsoft.aspx

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ThrowawayR2 ◴[] No.43576374[source]
> "...so printouts of code would be thrown in trash. And that's where Bill Gates found the source code for Basic interpreter, which he ported and it became the first Microsoft product"

Both sources you link to say Allen and Gates pulled listings of the PDP-10 operating system out (probably DEC's TOPS-10?) of the trash. BASIC is not an operating system. So your claim is debunked by your own sources.

"...digging out the operating system listings from the trash and studying those. Really not just banging away to find bugs like monkeys[laughs], but actually studying the code to see what was wrong."

https://americanhistory.si.edu/comphist/gates.htm

"...He and Bill would go “dumpster diving” in C-Cubed’s garbage to find discarded printouts with source code for the machine’s operating system..."

https://paulallen.com/Futurist/Microsoft.aspx

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outside1234 ◴[] No.43576794[source]
And Apple stole a UI from Xerox Parc. Open AI stole everyone's content.

This is how the industry innovates

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exidy ◴[] No.43577615[source]
This is a myth. Jobs negotiated access to PARC technology as part of a deal in which Xerox bought shares in Apple at $10/share[0], selling about a year later at $22/share. Those shares would be worth around $5 billion today.

Xerox did later sue Apple for IP infringement, however most of their claims were dismissed[1].

[0] https://web.stanford.edu/dept/SUL/sites/mac/parc.html

[1] https://arlingtonmnnews.com/articles/bits-and-bytes/xerox-ve...

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1. mmooss ◴[] No.43578194[source]
> Xerox bought shares in Apple at $10/share[0], selling about a year later at $22/share.

> [0] https://web.stanford.edu/dept/SUL/sites/mac/parc.html

I searched the cite for the 'share', '10', '22', 'sold, 'sell', 'bought', 'buy', 'purchase', and found nothing. ?

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2. exidy ◴[] No.43578607[source]
Apologies, I was juggling multiple sources. The Xerox VC investment into Apple is a matter of public record, the figure of $10/share is widely quoted, including in the Walter Isaacson biography of Steve Jobs[0].

Exactly how and when Xerox disposed of its shares is not public record, but it's known to be around that timeframe and certainly Xerox made a profit. The book _Dealers of Lightning_ goes into more detail about the deal if you're interested[1].

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/21/why-your-computer-has-a-mous...

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1101290.Dealers_of_Light...