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CamperBob2 ◴[] No.43574347[source]
And? What's the model supposed to do? It's just doing what many human artists would do, if they're not explicitly being paid to create new IP.

If infringement is happening, it arguably doesn't happen when an infringing work product is generated (or regurgitated, or whatever you want to call it.) Much less when the model is trained. It's when the output is used commercially -- by a human -- that the liability should rightfully attach.

And it should attach to the human, not the tool.

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chimpanzee ◴[] No.43574573[source]
> It's just doing what many human artists would do, if they're not explicitly being paid to create new IP.

It isn’t an independent human. It is a service paid for by customers. The moment it provides the image to a paying user, the image has thus been used commercially.

In fact, the user may not even necessarily have to be paying in order to infringe copyright.

And besides, even amateur artists are ashamed to produce copies unless they are demonstrating mastery of technique or expressing adoration. And if it happens spontaneously, they are then frustrated and try to defend themselves by claiming to never have even experienced the original material. (As happens with simplistic, but popular musical riffs.) But AI explicitly is trained on every material it can get its hands on and so cannot make such a defense.

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IgorPartola ◴[] No.43574617[source]
If I pay you to tell me the plot of Indiana Jones, privately, because I don’t have time to watch it, and you agree, did you violate copyright laws?

If you do it for free, is it different?

If I ask a friend to draw me as Indiana Jones? Or pay an artist? In either case I just want that picture to put in my rec room, not to sell.

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chimpanzee ◴[] No.43574899[source]
Summarization is generally not copyright infringement.

Private copying and transference, even once for a friend, is copyright infringement.

I don’t necessarily agree with this, but it is true nonetheless.

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IAmBroom ◴[] No.43574951{3}[source]
"Private copying and transference, even once for a friend, is copyright infringement."

Not without money or equivalent trade involved.

I can draw Mickey Mouse all day on my notebook, and hand it to you; no legal issues.

If I charge you a pack of bubble gum - Disney's lawyers will kick my door down and serve me notice.

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1. cycomanic ◴[] No.43575048{4}[source]
IANAL, but my understanding is that it's more complicated than this. Generally commercial benefits (i.e. taking money) is one of the aspects being taken into consideration to decide if something is fair use, but it's not the only one and not making a monetary/commercial benefit does not guarantee that work is considered fair use (which is the exception we're talking about here).