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lijok ◴[] No.43563976[source]
In most companies, writing code is the last thing developers (should) do. You're there to achieve business objectives, and you were hired because someone thought your experience and skillset will be necessary to achieve those business objectives. Sometimes those objectives are met with an excel sheet, sometimes they're met by losely integrating various 3rd parties, sometimes they're met by integrating various libraries, and sometimes it requires treading new ground and writing some real code.

The best web dev isn't the one that knows .Net, React, Svelte, GraphQL, micro-frontends, etc. The best web dev is the one that can convince their manager that their business objectives can be achieved by using WordPress.

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noosphr ◴[] No.43564351[source]
>The best chemical engineer isn't the one that knows the pressure at which chlorine tanks fail, they are the one that knows chlorine gas can be stored in a garage in coke bottles.

I look forward to the day that software 'engineers' are held accountable to the same degree that all other engineers are.

I've written software for industrial machinery that can kill people if it went wrong. It's amazing how much your views on software change when you realize that your accountability starts at manslaughter and goes up from there.

A human life is valued at around $10m in the developed world, incidentally my first real job was fixing an excel spreadsheet that caused $10m in trade losses after the API it called for exchange rates went stale.

I'm not saying that we arrest everyone who writes a spreadsheet to help them with their job. But _someone_ should have their head on the line when it becomes a business process without oversight that can cause millions in losses, damages or bills.

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1. whstl ◴[] No.43566953[source]
I don't think this is gonna happen until we're able to say no to stupid shit pushed on us.

When working as an electrical engineer I never had co-workers fighting me on whether I should do stuff that goes against building code. My building engineering friends never had a product manager say "trust me, we don't need this load bearing wall".

I know of engineers who did stupid shit at work and got their license revoked, and even some famous ones went to jail.

Of course there is the famous Steve Jobs story [1] where he forced Burrell Smith to do a stupid PCB and it didn't work, but Jobs was at least willing to accept that this was a test and would take the fall for the spent money.

[1] https://folklore.org/PC_Board_Esthetics.html