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Waltz's team set up at least 20 Signal group chats for crises across the world

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295 points mdhb | 8 comments | 02 Apr 25 19:09 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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lenerdenator ◴[02 Apr 25 20:28 UTC] No.43561132[source]▶
Any time you read anything having to do with this administration, remember:

The behavior will continue until an effective negative stimulus is given.

Then immediately stop reading. The details don't matter at this point.

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jfengel ◴[02 Apr 25 20:30 UTC] No.43561154[source]▶
It has to be a stimulus they feel as negative.

Losing office is about the only unarguable one. Barring a coup, that isn't happening any time soon.

Practically any other stimulus will be perceived as positive.

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delusional ◴[02 Apr 25 20:44 UTC] No.43561312[source]▶
I think what the commenter says is more dire than that. Even after this administration, this is going to keep happening until a major event happens. It's not just about the ghouls in there now, it's about the ghouls that will follow.
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simonh ◴[02 Apr 25 21:10 UTC] No.43561652[source]▶
A lot of people seem to think this is an anomaly, but they thought that about the first Trump term.

Fundamentally Trump is a symptom. When he goes, all the voters that voted for him will still be there, and they’ll still have all the reasons they voted for him.

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1. wat10000 ◴[02 Apr 25 22:12 UTC] No.43562288[source]▶
That’s what really depresses me. What’s the point in fighting this stuff when half the voters think it’s ok? It’s one thing to take down an unpopular leader causing trouble, quite another to take down tens of millions of people.
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2. zombiwoof ◴[02 Apr 25 22:20 UTC] No.43562372[source]▶
I’m convinced they don’t think it’s okay, they just think whatever Fox News tells them endlessly is what’s okay

If Fox News tomorrow changed their tone and message all those sheep would change

It’s that simple

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3. wat10000 ◴[02 Apr 25 22:45 UTC] No.43562618[source]▶
For sure. It took about two seconds after USAID got wrecked for people to come out of the woodwork saying “oh yeah, USAID was notoriously corrupt, everybody knew that forever.” When I’m pretty sure they didn’t know the place existed the previous day.
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4. budududuroiu ◴[02 Apr 25 23:16 UTC] No.43562898{3}[source]▶
Hearing your average Joe suddenly start talking about USAID using the same talking points and tone as a Twitter Marxist Leninist tankie was indeed wild
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5. deepfriedchokes ◴[02 Apr 25 23:31 UTC] No.43563019[source]▶
IMHO, Fox News just plays to their anger for profit, but the underlying reasons they are angry are valid and not being dealt with. My theory is the underlying issue is capitalism failing society, but like the church, they aren’t allowed to question it.
6. ethbr1 ◴[03 Apr 25 02:51 UTC] No.43564165{4}[source]▶
The most ironic part about the entire USAID debacle was the complete failure of the new right to understand why American soft power was engineered that way, and what it was doing.

It was like an even more hamfisted change management process than the neocons upsetting their apple carts, before they understood how things were balanced on them.

Not to say anything shouldn't be changed, but jesus... folks need to have a little humility and curiosity -- try to understand what the folks before them were attempting to do and how.

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7. nerdponx ◴[03 Apr 25 11:26 UTC] No.43568050{5}[source]▶
Much of the DOGE-driven chaos is just executing Project 2025 objectives. The justification of course is retroactive. The objectives are domestic and political.
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8. wat10000 ◴[03 Apr 25 15:00 UTC] No.43570754{6}[source]▶
"Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem" has been a Republican cornerstone for decades. None of the DOGE stuff should be the least bit surprising, and to say that they fail to understand what these agencies do is to miss the point entirely. They don't care. Government agencies are axiomatically bad and shutting them down is axiomatically good, that's it.