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mcv ◴[] No.43544826[source]
This is why due process is essential for everybody. The moment you deny it to one group, you can deny it to anyone by claiming they're in that one group.
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jrs235 ◴[] No.43546062[source]
I do believe the whole concept of beyond A reasonable doubt was based upon the belief that it is better for 10 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to suffer. What is happening is a slap in the face of our foundational principles and justice system.
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timeon ◴[] No.43547380[source]
> I do believe the whole concept of beyond A reasonable doubt was based upon the belief that it is better for 10 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to suffer.

Societies that do believe in this do not have capital punishment. It seems to me from the outside that US have different priorities. Like with school-shootings - apparently that is worth it there.

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xracy ◴[] No.43550994[source]
At the very least this has been a hotly contested conversation for a while in the US. I do still believe it's a founding principle of the US' legal system.
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mcv ◴[] No.43551507[source]
It is, but as with many founding principles of the US, they don't always live up to them.

I mean, Thomas Jefferson said it was self-evident that every man was created equal and had the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, yet he kept people as property in slavery. That just about sums up American theory vs practice. Same with the legal system: plenty of innocent people have been executed despite it being pretty clear they were innocent, simply because the legal system didn't allow the case to be reopened to handle the new evidence.

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milesrout ◴[] No.43555938[source]
To be fair to Jefferson, he supported the eventual emancipation of slaves and the end of slavery, was strongly opposed to the international slave trade (he banned it) and freed some slaves. His stated reason for not doing more sooner was that he thought it would bring about immense unrest. And of course it did, in the end. The bloodiest war in American history.
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mcv ◴[] No.43556783[source]
Did he free his slaves? I thought he didn't. Washington did free some of his slaves when he died. Still not all, though. Imagine if these two political powerhouses had freed all the slaves, as their words suggested they should. US history would have looked very differently.

No, I don't think supporting "eventual" emancipation is good enough if you don't do anything to actually bring it about.

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milesrout ◴[] No.43561891[source]
The most brutal part of slavery was the international slave trade which he banned. I don't think he did nothing.

You have to understand a man's actions in the context of his time.

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1. krapp ◴[] No.43562147[source]
Jefferson was called a hypocrite and a coward in his time, though.