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158 points nizarmah | 8 comments | | HN request time: 0.253s | source | bottom

A couple of months ago, I built this app to help identify people stuck under rubble.

First responders have awesome tools. But in tough situations, even common folks need to help.

After what happened in Myanmar, we need something like this that works properly.

It has only been tested in controlled environments. It can also be improved; I know BLE is not _that_ effective under rubble.

If you have any feedback or can contribute, don't hold back.

1. Sakthimm ◴[] No.43554609[source]
My friend works at one of the world's largest steel plants and recently he was discussing some ideas with me about solving the problem of people disappearing during inspections and being found dead after a few days. Apparently it is a huge problem there that he wanted to build a startup around the tech.

I am saying this because I think your target market may not be people stuck under rubble, but large scale industries, construction site workers, miners, firefighters, who can install the app beforehand. Cheers.

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2. subscribed ◴[] No.43554751[source]
I can imagine a firefighter, miner or steelworks worker relying on the smartphone in emergency. Like, seriously, a miner, half of a mile under the rock.... Carrying smartphone?

Heavy duty wearable tags and a dense network of wall-mounted relays pinging them and triangulating 24/7 can be the only solution. Sure you can use BLE beacons for that, and this is being solved with multiple competing products as we speak (look up "locating objects in warehouse"), but specifically for the human safety applications, they would have to be imposed by the regulators. Workforce is seen as disposable and nothing short of laws and regulations is going to force employers to improve safety.

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3. defrost ◴[] No.43554825[source]
The majority of the worlds miners work above ground - they still run the risk of stope (wall) collapse, but they're unlikely to find themselves under half a mile of rock.

  In Australia, open-cut mining dominates coal production, accounting for over 80% of the total, while underground mining's share has decreased to around 15%. Open-cut mining is generally more efficient and cost-effective, allowing for higher recovery rates and larger-scale operations. 
and

  It has been estimated that more than two-thirds of the world’s yearly mineral production is extracted by surface mining. There are several types of surface mining, but the three most common are open-pit mining, strip mining, and quarrying. These differ from one another in the mine geometries created, the techniques used, and the minerals produced.
( https://www.britannica.com/technology/mining/Surface-mining )

Like anybody else in the modern world, it's hard to pry smart phones away from mine workers ...

Miners warned to limit smartphones in the pit (2013) - https://www.itnews.com.au/news/miners-warned-to-limit-smartp...

4. 6footgeek ◴[] No.43554908[source]
Ex miner here (grasberg, Indonesia) - yes, we all had smartphones, at all times, and yes, we rarely had signal but if you went up to the surface / anywhere with signal, you would want your phone, so we all carried them.
5. nizarmah ◴[] No.43555020[source]
Thanks a lot for the insight! You definitely highlighted an aspect where this tool could be monetized to fund the development of an open source project like Igatha.

Sadly today, money and connections are needed for r&d and distribution. And having a market that buys a tool like this in certain circumstances can seriously contribute to finding/building publicly available solutions.

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6. financetechbro ◴[] No.43557422[source]
I’ve recently had to do a deep dive into construction tech + frontline (deskless) worker tech and there is a lot of potential in this space. Very underserved market. Lmk if you’d like to chat and I can provide some insight on what we’re seeing here in terms off greenfield opportunity
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7. nizarmah ◴[] No.43557527{3}[source]
I would definitely like to chat about it. Right now, it's the main picture in mind towards getting some funding to push this project forward. So, I'd love to learn more about it.
8. toomuchtodo ◴[] No.43558954[source]
Are there any products that can act as a locator beacon, in perhaps a pager form factor? They listen for a signal from a powerful base station at frequencies low enough to deeply penetrate RF opaque material, and upon command, could key up and transmit at max power while using Time of Flight to triangulate (from a network of base stations)? 900mhz comes to mind, but perhaps there are alternate, more optimal frequency bands for this.

It's a local version of https://www.findmespot.com/